Did we make the right choice?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Kill Bill, Feb 26, 2008.

  1. Kill Bill

    Kill Bill Guest

    HD_DVD is now officially DEAD! Dead as Circuit City's DivX format from
    the 90s.. And one day well all forget about HD_DVD, and those of us
    that will remember it will have a nice laugh about it and might even see
    an old HD_DVD player at a garage sale one day. With the sudden collapse
    of the HD_DVD market, I've been reflecting on the events of the last few
    weeks now..

    I have to ask myself, did people/companies make the right choice?

    I mean.. lets take a look at Sony's history, shall we..

    We choose the company that lost the entire portable music player
    industry that it founded to Apple while it was off busy working on TVs
    that cost 10x more money.

    We choose the company that created a music player that didn't play
    mp3's.. And only connected to a now failed on-line music provider. One
    of those WTF moments I guess?

    We choose the company that was twice the cost of blank HDDVDs and
    players, and now with absolutely no competition in the Hi-Def format,
    will take their dam sweet time bringing the prices down to consumer levels.

    We choose the company that has now lost the Game Console Race to
    Microsoft and Nintendo.

    We choose the company that thought that putting 'root kits' on peoples
    computers was ok, if they try and placed their music CDs into their

    We choose the company that is known for saying "**** you" too standards,
    unless it's a standard they invented and everyone else has to pay
    royalties to use it.

    And finally, We choose the company that is going to make you do firmware
    upgrades on your new BR-DVD player, or risk the fact that you'll never
    be able to play any of your new expensive BlueRay movie collection ever

    So, now that Sony has officially WON the HiDef DVD war, it has decided
    to introduce it's first fully up to date compliant Blue-Ray player:


    ... at a minor cost to you the consumers of only 11 thousand dollars...
    That right.. 11 Gs..

    Congratulations Consumers, we WON!

    p.s. Oh, and BTW, there will be another root kit for protecting our
    Blue-Ray format, and this time even though you find it, their ain't shit
    you can do about it -signed Sony!!

    Kill Bill, Feb 26, 2008
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    nnJ Guest

    Move on.

    It's really hard to believe this is as important and pressing of a problem
    in people's lives as they seem to make it out to be.

    If it is.. well. I will gladly trade my problems for theirs and I guarantee
    the concern for a pile of electronics will slip quickly form their mind.
    nnJ, Feb 26, 2008
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    nappy Guest

    I hardly think an MP3 player is anything new. Applpe's clincher was iTunes.
    Without that the iPod would have been another apple failure. Sony isn't
    really in that business.

    dam? :)

    I think that race is always on and no one wins until the others bow
    completely out. As Sega did when they stopped making machines. The
    Playstations aren't going anywhere soon.
    Yeah.. there's assholes in every company . Apple included.
    That's normal. I have no problem with that.

    That's life. When the CD was ushered in a lot changed. When VHS took over a
    lot changed. This particular squabble is irrelevant as far as I am
    concerned. I don't give a rat's posterior what the format is. Truth is.. we
    will eventually be forced to embrace it. Innovators will add to it and
    perfect it. We will adapt our workflows and then another format will take
    over! not worth worrying about or paying much attention to unless you are
    Toshiba. Or Sony.
    nappy, Feb 26, 2008
  4. On a side note, if you could not care less about bluray OR HD-DVD,
    because plain old fashioned DVD's are good enough for you, (and heck
    if I'm going to yet again re-buy all my library of movies just to make
    them bluray) you might still want to consider grabbing a brand-new
    HDDVD player now at fire sale blow-out prices, because they will up-
    rez a standard DVD to look darn good on your HD TV, for what now is a
    really pretty good price. Target Direct was one such place blowing
    them out the door. Plenty others.

    It's not obsolete if you have a use for it.
    nobody special, Feb 26, 2008
  5. An excellent suggestion, IMHO. Thanks.
    Richard Crowley, Feb 26, 2008
  6. Kill Bill

    GMAN Guest

    And makes Sony 10x more money than the portable music business. More people
    buy Tv's than ipods.
    No competition? There are over 16 CE manufacturers either selling or releasing
    Set Top blu ray decks this year. And at least a dozen computer peripheral
    manufacturers either selling or soon to be selling pc drives to play and
    record blu ray.

    Competition doesnt always mean multiple incompatible formats, it means many
    manufacturers making competing drives that follow one standard. One standard
    benefits the consumer.
    WTF? Sony has sold more PS3's in its first year than the 360 did, and the PS3
    is possibly poised to catch up to the 360 this year is total machines sold. I
    wouldnt call that losing out to Microsoft.
    A small handfiull of titles from duchebag artists that most normal people born
    before 1980's couldn't care less for.
    Isnt that what toshiba did too?
    GMAN, Feb 26, 2008
  7. Kill Bill

    Kill Bill Guest

    Since its no big deal too you, why do you even bother coming here then?

    Kill Bill, Feb 26, 2008
  8. Kill Bill

    Kill Bill Guest

    Yeah, they aren't now. How soon you forget. They tried to start there
    own iTunes type music service. They got there asses handed to them
    after nearly a decade of owning the music business in the 90s.

    Apple had a root kit install? Please site your source?

    The rant was somewhat written tongue and cheek. Of course I'm now happy
    that there is ONE format now. We as content producers can now have no
    fear of buying expensive new hardware such as BR burners.

    Kill Bill, Feb 26, 2008
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    Kill Bill Guest

    Why would you want to pay 200 bucks for a up convert DVD player when you
    can find them easily for about 49 dollars now?

    Kill Bill, Feb 26, 2008
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    nappy Guest

    Right.. so.. Sony isn't really in that business. I think I got that right.

    Do you see the words "root kit" in that sentence?
    Apple is as guilty as anyone regarding attempts to gather information or
    monopolize markets. I think that's pretty clear..
    nappy, Feb 26, 2008
  11. "Kill Bill" wrote ...
    Because you can buy a fire-sale HD-DVD player
    that will play those (soon-to-be-obsolete) discs.
    Richard Crowley, Feb 27, 2008
  12. iTunes is far worse than all the RootKits on the planet.
    It is quite user-vicious and will wipe your iPod clean if
    you give it half a chance.

    I've personally helped several friends try to recover from
    this anti-social behavior by Apple.
    Richard Crowley, Feb 27, 2008
  13. Kill Bill

    Frank Guest

    I don't know why you wrote "it has decided to introduce", referring to
    Sony, when it's Goldmund who's introducing this product.

    Any person familiar with the world of high-end audio, and the Goldmund
    company in particular, would fully expect that any BD player that they
    would introduce would be priced at nothing less than $11k.

    Goldmund once offered the Reference turntable for $32,000, then
    considered to be one of the finest turntables ever made by anyone,

    These days, one of the better turntables, but by no means the highest
    priced, is the Model 30/2 from SME of England, at about U.S. $40,000
    with tonearm.

    The highest priced turntable currently available is probably the
    Statement from Clearaudio Electronic in Erlangen, Germany, for about

    There are many loudspeaker systems on the market that sell for over
    $200,000 per pair, and I've seen CD playback systems (using a separate
    transport, DAC, and power supply modules) that sell for over $40,000.

    I'm sure that Boulder Amplifiers, Inc. (oddly enough, of Boulder,
    Colorado) is pleased every time someone purchases a pair of their
    model 2050 monoblock power amps for $80,000.

    My point is simply that the folks who buy products such as those
    mentioned above don't flinch in the slightest when they're informed
    that Goldmund has plans to introduce a Blu-ray Disc player at a price
    of $11,000. If anything, they get excited at the prospect of owning

    People with million dollar home theater systems will spend $11,000
    just for speaker cables.

    The Goldmund BD player isn't a mass market product and its price has
    no influence whatsoever on the prices that the typical "man in the
    street" will pay for a BD player. Nor does it have any influence on
    the prices for which mass market BD players will sell in the future.
    Frank, Feb 27, 2008
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    Frank Guest

    I think that "expensive" is a relative term, especially in this case.

    The Sony BWU-200S 4x dual-layer internal SATA Blu-ray Disc burner is
    priced at $599.99 directly from Sony through their SonyStyle Web site,
    or for a few dollars less through regular resellers ($582.58 from
    Provantage, for example).


    While a heck of a lot more than what we're currently accustomed to
    paying for a DVD burner, what was the price of the old Pioneer DVD
    burners back in the early days of DVD? Something on the order of $8000
    to $10,000, as I recall. In that case, under $600 seems cheap to me.
    Frank, Feb 27, 2008
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    nappy Guest

    yes. infact they were over $500 for a very long time. I recall spending
    lots of money on them.. Now they're $39.

    So the initial price of hardware is no longer an issue if you are patient.

    nappy, Feb 27, 2008
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    jakdedert Guest

    Fire sale is definitely the right term. M.soft is already blowing out
    their Xbox HD's for $50 a pop. I imagine the set-top sets will
    inevitably eventually end up down around there; pricewise.

    Hell, I've bought regular DVD players for less than $20.

    jakdedert, Feb 27, 2008
  17. Kill Bill

    jakdedert Guest

    I remember holding out on buying an IDE CD burner until the price got
    down to #200...quad speed.

    jakdedert, Feb 27, 2008
  18. Kill Bill

    jakdedert Guest

    Or make your business reputation by having the absolute latest thing. I
    feel sorry for various segments of the tech rental industry. It seems
    one of the most obsolescence-driven businesses one could have.

    jakdedert, Feb 27, 2008
  19. That's why you pay a premium rental-price for renting such stuff. They are
    not stupid :)

    Martin Heffels, Feb 27, 2008
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    David McCall Guest

    Renting VS buying is a funny thing.

    If you budget is limited, but you only need the equipment a few times
    a year then renting is often the better move. Before you get enough
    use out of it to warrant the purchase, the equipment will be outdated.

    If your budget is limited, but you need to use it a lot, buying makes
    some sense. It can sometimes take as few as 10 rentals to pay for
    a piece of equipment. But, then you have to maintain it.

    If you have good budgets, but not enough to buy everything you
    might need, then renting a lot of the gear makes sense because
    your needs can vary from job to job and renting lets you pick
    whatever you want instead of making do with what you bought.

    If you have very good budgets and you need to use the same
    equipment a lot then buying with some suplimental renting
    makes the most sense.

    So big or small, it mostly depends on how much you are going
    to use it. Often you can afford to rent better stuff than you can
    afford to buy. Especially if you are small.

    David McCall, Feb 27, 2008
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