Different Formats for Different Countries -- Variable Density B&W Film

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by Radium, Oct 11, 2006.

  1. Radium

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    We tried that in 1976. The problem is we keep getting new young fogies.
    --scott


    From my standpoint, I'm happy with English or Metric, just as long as folks
    make up their MIND about it. I have too much equipment with BOTH English
    and metric parts....
     
    Scott Dorsey, Oct 31, 2006
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  2. :)

    In fact at the moment there is talk of changing our road signs to
    decimal here in the UK. that'll kick up a stink for about 10 years so
    no giovernment wants to do it. Eventually all cars will have km/h
    speedos and everyone'll forget how far a mile is anyway. Perhaps
    they'll learn how much there is in a kg at the same time.

    Personally I don't give a shit whch system is used but was brought up
    on decimal and find multiplication by powers of ten easier - I defy
    anyone not to. I bemoan the difficulty dividing by three in decimal but
    that's another issue.
     
    Richard Polhill, Oct 31, 2006
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  3. Radium

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    In the US, wine now comes in liters and 750ml volumes. We still have a
    "fifth" of whiskey, but it's normally rounded off to the nearest 50ml
    increment.

    The growth of the drug culture, however, has done more to familiarize
    the younger generation with metric measurements than anything else. Alcohol
    and illicit drugs are probably the two most familiar things the average
    American sees in metric measurements.
    --scott
     
    Scott Dorsey, Oct 31, 2006
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  4. Most excellent flick, as was most anything made
    by or starring Peter Sellers.

    "Dr. Strangelove" is a classic, quite literally.
    And "Being There" is altogther too real to
    want to think about, really.


    rafe b
    www.terrapinphoto.com
     
    Raphael Bustin, Oct 31, 2006
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  5. Radium

    j Guest

    At least your government hasn't proposed that you all drive on the other
    side of the road. I was in England when Sweden (methinks) switched over like
    that. They dropped the national speed limit to something like 20kph for the
    transition.
     
    j, Oct 31, 2006
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  6. Radium

    j Guest

    Well, subtrefuge is a good thing, eh? Enlighten the b*st*ards.
     
    j, Oct 31, 2006
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  7. That's why metric works so well. It also works for the 'unless of course'
    cases.
    So, they do have to constantly convert between inches and feet.
    That is why metric was invented.
    Ah, so you do have a perfectly rational series of paper based on factors
    of two, but instead of keeping a constant aspect ratio, you have to deal
    with a more complicated system.

    Thinking about, it looks like a missed opportunity to switch to a sqrt(2)
    aspect ratio in digital cameras. Sqrt(2) is sort of the average between
    4/3 and 3/2, and you can print to ISO standard paper without cropping.
     
    Philip Homburg, Oct 31, 2006
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  8. No metric has everything to do with the base. The whole idea is to get rid
    of all the weird factors in the inch/feet/yard/mile. Same story with
    weights.

    Even worse, it was common that there would be different units for the
    same quantity. In most countries, the power of internal combustion
    engines is expressed in bhp, and electrical power is expressed in watt.
    Fortunately, in countries that went metric a long time ago, that is just
    a rare exception. (The calorie is another)

    The fact that the mass of 1 l of water is about 1 kg is only moderately
    useful in practice. But it is important that the other units are derived
    from that in a rational manner, instead of coming up with things like a
    foot-pound of torque.
     
    Philip Homburg, Oct 31, 2006
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  9. Philip Homburg spake thus:
    So, they do have to constantly convert between inches and feet.
    That is why metric was invented.[/QUOTE]

    You sound as if carpenters and cabinetmakers have subnormal intelligence
    and can't handle these sorts of simple calculations. Not true. They've
    managed to deal with this problem for centuries with little difficulty.
    Yours is a solution in search of a problem.


    --
    Just as McDonald's is where you go when you're hungry but don't really
    care about the quality of your food, Wikipedia is where you go when
    you're curious but don't really care about the quality of your knowledge.

    - Matthew White's WikiWatch (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Oct 31, 2006
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  10. Radium

    John Guest

    As someone who considered being a machinist, I can think of a huge
    number of instances where the metric system is vastly superior. For
    starters is't a base 10 system. How many fingers do you have ? It's
    natural to use a base 10 system of measurements. Now it might have
    been quite different if we were all born with 5 fingers + 1 thumb ;>)
    But just think of the implications of using a base 10 system of
    centimeters/decimeters/meters and milliters/decaliters/liters versus
    inches/feet/yards and ounces/pints/quarts/gallons. It's much the same
    as using the precision of decimal versus fractions. It's still my
    opinion that this was one of the major factors that helped Japan
    production quality outstrip American engineering in the late 50's ~
    70's. Have you ever worked on cars built in those years ? Man did they
    have quality issues !

    In short the metric system is far more precise and natural than using
    any other common set of measurements.

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    John S. Douglas
    Photographer & Webmaster
    Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net
     
    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  11. Radium

    John Guest

    Right on the money Rafe.

    http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/


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    John S. Douglas
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    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  12. Radium

    John Guest

    So you would prefer "de pedibus Sancti Pauli" ???? As Jefferson stated
    "There exists not in nature, as far as has been hitherto observed, a
    single subject or species of subject, accessible to man, which
    presents one constant and uniform dimension.". Of course Jefferson
    didn't know a whole lot about energy. Perhaps someday the meter will
    be finally defined as the distance light travels in 1/300,000,000 of a
    second. I like round numbers ;>)

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    John S. Douglas
    Photographer & Webmaster
    Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net
     
    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  13. Radium

    John Guest

    And agreed upon by the US government on May 20, 1875 ? But then we
    don't really want to hold our governments accountable for their
    agreements do we ? Heavens no ! The American Indians learned this
    better than anyone.

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    John S. Douglas
    Photographer & Webmaster
    Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net
     
    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  14. Radium

    John Guest

    But as has been said before "The Devil is in the details".

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    John S. Douglas
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    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  15. Radium

    John Guest

    Nope. It's the engineers and machinists that are slowing down the
    whole show. They would rather use what is loosely a base 8 system than
    a more natural and precise base 10 system.

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    John S. Douglas
    Photographer & Webmaster
    Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net
     
    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  16. Radium

    John Guest

    You obviously never had to measure in 64's !

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    John S. Douglas
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    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  17. Radium

    John Guest

    Shoot ! What I'd give to see papers made in10X15,20X30 and 30X45 cm !


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    John S. Douglas
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    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  18. Radium

    John Guest

    And rooted in ignorance ?

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    John S. Douglas
    Photographer & Webmaster
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    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  19. Radium

    John Guest

    LOL ! Yeah, nothin' at all !

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    John S. Douglas
    Photographer & Webmaster
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    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  20. Radium

    Chris Hills Guest

    Actually the reasoned justification is irrelevant. As the metric system
    and in particular the paper sizes are in use world wide (including in
    parts of the USA) why use a different and dying set of systems.

    If you look at the comments and references in this discussion you will
    find that even in the USA the metric system and ISO paper sizes are in
    use. It is just that it is not in wide spread use as it is in every
    other country in the world.

    The world has standardised we just need the last few people in the US
    to get with reality.
     
    Chris Hills, Oct 31, 2006
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