Different Formats for Different Countries -- Variable Density B&W Film

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by Radium, Oct 11, 2006.

  1. Radium

    John Guest

    That is what's happening but unfortunately there was a tremendous
    number of "boomers" born into "tradition" in the 50's. They resisted
    change in the 70's when America made a significant effort to get
    standardized on both decimal and metric standards. Fortunately many
    are now retiring and their tools are wearing down and being replaced
    with digital equipment which makes the conversion process simpler.
    Eventually America will migrate completely to the metric system
    however it will probably take another 60 years.

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    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  2. Radium

    John Guest

    With such wonderful leadership, one can only wonder why.

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    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  3. Radium

    John Guest

    And imagine how much better they would have done with a more precise
    and easier to use system of measurement ? The mind simply reels at the
    waste of time and effort spent supporting an antiquated system of
    measurements that was superceded by international agreement in 1875.
    131 years later we're still using a system based on kernels of corn,
    the width of a finger or using 7000 Troy grains to define a pound.

    Hmmmm, a metric system based on the measurements of light and water is
    starting to sound pretty good isn't it ?

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    John, Oct 31, 2006
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  4. Radium

    Tom Phillips Guest

    I would say it's more precise, but not more natural.
    Listing my height as 1.8292682927 meters instead of
    simply noting I'm 6 feet even seems rather clumsy..
    In any case, I function perfectly well with both
    systems (because I choose to...) and would always
    resist any "one size fits all" system being forced
    onto us citizens by any government.
     
    Tom Phillips, Oct 31, 2006
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  5. Ah yes, it's been a while since you had a good
    anti-boomer rant, John. We surely are the root
    of all evil. I for one have every intention of
    stealing as much as I can of your inheritance.


    rafe b
    www.terrapinphoto.com
     
    Raphael Bustin, Nov 1, 2006
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  6. The issue you illustrate has nothing to do with
    English vs. metric units. It has to do with
    significant digits. You're conflating issues.

    If you're going to limit the English-unit value to
    1 digit, there's no rationale for using 11 digits
    on the metric value.

    There are conversions you do in a hurry, and
    others you do when lives depend on the
    numbers.

    There's no law about what units to use for
    casual use. There may -- and should be --
    laws regarding units for commercial use or
    in civil engineering, aviation, medicine, etc.


    rafe b
    www.terrapinphoto.com
     
    Raphael Bustin, Nov 1, 2006
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  7. Radium

    j Guest

    Yup. Tis true. But I am older than the boomers and ain't one of them.

    Now what IS strange is the fraction system is in accord with the metrics
    (forgive me) of the Ancient Greeks, but Amerikans know nothing of that whole
    thang.

    So, let's Go Metric! Hey, that's got musical potential. Country Joe and the
    Fish? Give me an M! Give me an E....
     
    j, Nov 1, 2006
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  8. Radium

    j Guest

    When I was growing up in a first-generation family in America, we were told,
    "Anyone can become President", but for God's sake, we never expected it to
    become true! We got an Anyone!

    Q: What is the difference between a C grade at any state university and the
    same at Yale or Harvard?

    A: Money.... and you have to WORK for a C at a state university.
     
    j, Nov 1, 2006
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  9. Radium

    Tom Phillips Guest

    Raphael Bustin wrote:

    snip...
     
    Tom Phillips, Nov 1, 2006
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  10. So, you are exactly 6 feet, 1/54.239581" high. Wow, how did measure that?

    If it wasn't so sad, it would funny how many people don't understand
    significant digits, and make a fool of themselves by holding that against
    the metric system.
     
    Philip Homburg, Nov 1, 2006
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  11. Radium

    Chris Hills Guest

    Exactly... I am 6 feet or 1.8 metres either is just as accurate.

    It is irrelevant as the whole world is metric apart from *some parts* of
    the USA.

    To come back to the original questions on paper the whole world uses A4
    etc including the parts of the US that need to work internationally.

    It is only time before the fits in with the rest of the world.

    BTW I did hear that just after the US announced that it was building a
    Communist-Berlin style Iron Curtain wall between the US and Mexico the
    Canadians started surveying for a wall on their southern border too.
    :)
     
    Chris Hills, Nov 1, 2006
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  12. This is why I like film: It's 35mm wide (metric) but travels at 90 feet
    (English) per second in cameras and projectors.

    Morgan
     
    Morgan Montague, Nov 1, 2006
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  13. Radium

    John Guest

    Don't worry. Dubya's doin' it for ya !


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    John, Nov 1, 2006
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  14. Radium

    John Guest

    And I might be wrong but aren't you more than a little untraditional ?

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    John, Nov 1, 2006
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  15. Chris Hills spake thus:
    Huh? Where are the "other parts" of the US that have gone metric? I know
    of none. Please enlighten me.
    I challenge you to find any business in the US, any office, that
    *doesn't* use 8-1/2" x 11" paper in their office printers, for
    correspondence, billing, etc. I have *never* seen anyone here who uses
    A4. It's a virtually unknown paper size here. Where are you getting your
    information?
    They ought to, if they're smart.

    Just for the record, I share your antipathy for this "separation
    barrier", which is just as wrong-headed as the Berlin Wall, or, more
    pointedly, the Israeli wall around the Occupied Territories. But that's
    a separate rant for another day.


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    David Nebenzahl, Nov 1, 2006
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  16. Radium

    rafe b Guest


    We're in the business of developing printers and MFPs
    for outfits like Canon, Lexmark, Dell, KM, et. al. We
    have to keep all of the metric paper sizes in stock. Next
    to LTR, A4 is the most popular size around our office.
    Our OEMs and ODMs in Asia do most of their testing
    on A4.

    Like I said -- A4 comes in real handy for printing any
    image in a 2:3 aspect ratio. Much better than LTR.
    (LTR=Letter size=8.5x11")

    A4 is "unknown" to most Americans because Americans
    choose to be ignorant about the rest of the world.


    rafe b
    www.terrapinphoto.com
     
    rafe b, Nov 1, 2006
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  17. Radium

    rafe b Guest


    I might take that as a compliment but I doubt you
    meant it as such. What exactly do you mean by
    that, anyway?

    And yes, I'm sure you're right -- Dubya will surely
    get his cut (of your inheritance) long before I do.

    I plan to squander mine on digital gear. The plan
    is already well underway.


    rafe b
    www.terrapinphoto.com
     
    rafe b, Nov 1, 2006
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  18. rafe b spake thus:
    Well, you're something of an anomaly because you're in the business of
    developing printers. I'm talking about the vast majority of businesses
    which are *users* of printers.
    Notice that nowhere did I argue the relative merits of U.S. letter vs.
    A4. I'm sure that A4 is inherently beautiful and prolongs the longevity
    of its users through its magical "golden proportion" qualities.


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    David Nebenzahl, Nov 1, 2006
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  19. Radium

    rafe b Guest


    That's me, a walking anomaly.


    rafe b
    www.terrapinphoto.com
     
    rafe b, Nov 1, 2006
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  20. rafe b spake thus:
    Take it as a compliment, I guess.


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    Just as McDonald's is where you go when you're hungry but don't really
    care about the quality of your food, Wikipedia is where you go when
    you're curious but don't really care about the quality of your knowledge.

    - Matthew White's WikiWatch (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Nov 1, 2006
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