disposable film cameras to the rescue

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by nathantw, Jun 12, 2006.

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    nathantw Guest

    nathantw, Jun 12, 2006
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    DunxUK Guest

    DunxUK, Jun 12, 2006
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  3. They will be around for a while and then disappear almost overnight. When a
    2mp camera that takes AA batteries gets down to $1 to manufacture,
    people will buy them instead.

    There already have been "disposable" (one use) digital cameras sold, but
    they are too expensive. Once the cost goes below film, and the infrastructure
    to get them "processed" is there, the film disposables will go away.

    I know that film cameras, even disposable ones, are better than a 2mp
    digital camera, but for most people's usage (4x6 and 8x10 prints) they
    are acceptable. The rapid spread of camera phones with their low resolution,
    will also "lower the bar".

    With the spread of digital printing machines and one hour labs that
    print digital to regular photographic prints, the older optical printing
    machines will be phased out. Negatives at a one hour lab will be scanned
    and printed instead.

    This changed occured almost unnoticed over ten years ago for high volume
    document photocopying, and now everyone I know that does low volume
    document copying uses a "multifunction" machine that scans and prints
    the copies.

    What worries me is that the disposable market keeps film alive. As soon
    as it goes, film will "go away" like home movies. Yes, you can still buy
    Super 8 film and get it processed, but not at the corner drugstore.

    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jun 13, 2006
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    nathantw Guest

    Why does it worry you, do you own stock in digital photography?
    nathantw, Jun 13, 2006
  5. No, I'm one of those "old guys" that want to continue to use monchomatic
    film for a long time. I don't want to be stuck with one brand's (Kodak)
    chromogenic film, or having to have people bring me "boutique" brand
    film from the U.S.

    The camera store that three years ago was Jerusalem's number one darkroom
    supply store no longer has reloadable cassettes. I haven't been there in
    a while, I wonder what else they have dropped.

    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jun 13, 2006
  6. They are great for conditions where you don't want to risk your more expensive
    equipment (i.e. tubing down a river).
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Jun 13, 2006
  7. It will be a sad day indeed. Those sensors have expensive metals in them and
    they are not particularily friendly to the environment to be thrown out "willy
    nilly" as disposable. Until somebody develops an organic sensor, I don't
    expect to hear about disposable digitals anytime soon.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Jun 13, 2006
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    Mark Roberts Guest

    "Disposable" digitals are reusable in their entirety: The buyer turns
    in the whole camera to get prints and/or a CD of the images. Then the
    camera's memory is erased and it is re-sold. More environmentally
    friendly than disposable film cameras.
    Mark Roberts, Jun 13, 2006
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    nathantw Guest

    Ah, I see. Kind of like what's going on with B/W enlarging paper. It's
    getting to a point where the only stuff available will be from Hungary,
    Croatia, Japan or Britain.
    nathantw, Jun 13, 2006
  10. That's be nice. And the camera would be very cheap to buy, maybe cheaper
    than it costs to make: after all, it can be sold many times.

    Then someone nasty will get into his head that he will NOT return the
    camera to the store after all. Instead, he will figure out a way to
    "hack" it so he can get the contents out of the camera all by himself.
    Next thing you know, he will post his method on the Internet, maybe
    onto this newsgroup, and gadgety geeks everywhere will rush to buy
    this camera, which is manufactured at a loss now...
    Toni Nikkanen, Jun 13, 2006
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    Doug Payne Guest

    Already been done a few years ago.
    Doug Payne, Jun 13, 2006
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    Dick R. Guest

    Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    Hey Thomas,
    Or canoeing! Several years ago we went canoeing with friends and I brought
    along a underwater disposable. Took a shot of fellow canoeists from a
    few inches under water and it came out beautiful!

    Dick R.
    Dick R., Jun 13, 2006
  13. Now, that is not disposable is it? Reusable, yes.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Jun 13, 2006
  14. I am hoping to do some kayaking up on Lake Superior next summer and that will
    be a great opportunity to take some pictures without fear! I love it!
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Jun 13, 2006
  15. It is a very old idea.....Kodak did it with a "Box Brownie" back in the
    30's, I believe......
    William Graham, Jun 14, 2006
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    DunxUK Guest

    I thought all digital cameras were disposable. Arf arf!
    DunxUK, Jun 14, 2006
  17. So?

    Are we beholden to a corporation to hold up their flawed business

    I buy it, it is *mine*. If I can make it do the things the seller
    didn't intend me to do, tough luck. They shouldn't have sold such an
    article in the first place then.

    Any business model that *depends* on people not using their bought
    property to the max is dumb.

    Mart van de Wege, Jun 14, 2006
  18. Exactly. And that's why such a business model will fail in our
    modern times. And that's why the cost of manufacturing a
    disposable digital camera really has to be lower than the
    selling price in order to be profitable, so it'll take a while
    to get there.
    Toni Nikkanen, Jun 14, 2006
  19. It has already been done! There are hacks for these "disposable" digitals
    that have been posted on the web weeks after these cameras were introduced.
    I would have picked up one of these disposables, but the image quality is
    still lacking. I think once these cameras hit 8MP and use Nikon optics they
    will be a hacker's bargain at $20.

    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jun 14, 2006
  20. Of course, you are wrongly assuming that a high percentage of people will
    "hack" these things and ultimately lower profits for the manufacturer.
    There will always be a majority of people that will use them as designed and
    turn them in. The best part, there are no consumables (film) that need to
    be replaced each time other than a battery. These will work and have a
    captive audience like the cell phone has created. The only threat to the
    disposable digital is the higher quality cheap P&S.

    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jun 14, 2006
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