Do all firewire cards support transfers from PC to camcorders?

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by DaveA, Nov 23, 2003.

  1. DaveA

    SjT Guest

    Sorry you may be sending some abuse, i cannot open that Jerry warned
    me. -JOKE-

    Look, you posted quoting the TRV16, you didnt specify that it was the
    DCR-TRV16 (i.e. minidv cam). Therefore anyone who knows the older
    cams will think "ahh TRV16 = The old cheap 8mm cam." IMO Theres no
    need to get so uptight about things because you cant be arsed to fully
    post model numbers.

    If you read further into the post you will see that i reply to Tony as
    i was looking for a DCR-TRV16/18/25 at the time.
     
    SjT, Dec 3, 2003
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  2. DaveA

    Darcy O'Bree Guest

    Oh for God's sake read the whole thread will you?

    The OP ask for recommendations on a digital camera, so that's what I gave.
    Tony assumed I was wrong because he was ignorant of the DCR-TRV16 so instead
    of checking his facts he bit my head off. Standard Tony Morgan practice.
    In fact I had done everything he claimed I hadn't.

    If Tony had been arsed to run a simple Google search instead of relying on
    his own limited knowledge he would have found the DCR-TRV16.

    You can argue in favour of Tony all you like but the fact is that he is a
    cranky old bastard who doesn't always check his facts. He is also quick to
    attack people who question his advice. This makes it very difficult to know
    when his advice is genuinely good. I know from my reading of it that most
    of it is OK but a beginner, the very people he claims to be helping, would
    not be able to make that distinction. This is why people like Jerry get so
    upset about him.

    While you're at it, have a look at other newsgroups that Tony posts to. He
    is the subject of an awful lot of flame wars. Seems Jerry is not alone.

    --

    Darcy O¹Bree
    Digital Media Studios Manager
    Faculty of Arts, Media and Design
    Staffordshire University

    http://www.staffs.ac.uk/academic/artdesign/mediacentre
     
    Darcy O'Bree, Dec 3, 2003
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  3. DaveA

    Dave R Guest

    Maybe he actually thrives on them?
     
    Dave R, Dec 3, 2003
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  4. DaveA

    Tony Morgan Guest

    An "awful lot" is a typical Jerry gross exaggeration. In fact only a
    very few - and then only with fools and those who persistently
    misinform. Which says it all.

    And all here have seen that Jerry tries to make a case by taking a quote
    and then changing the words - which is typical of him..

    And if anyone wants to get a measure of Jerry, just do a Google and see
    just how many personal attacks he has made on me, then see how many
    posts he has made which contribute *anything* to this newsgroup.

    Then of course, feel free to do the same with me.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 3, 2003
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  5. DaveA

    Darcy O'Bree Guest

    Those who disagree with you, more like it. Even so it's still more flames
    than most newsgroup contributors manage to achieve.
    And too often you try to make a case by misrepresenting the facts or going
    OT.
    Tell you what I did do that was a bit of a laugh, a Google search for
    variations of "contribute" and the author "Tony Morgan". It seems there are
    a lot of people who are not "contributing anything" to their newsgroup,
    according to Tony. So go easy on him folks, it must be hard work being the
    sole arbiter of worthwhile content for so many groups.

    --

    Darcy O¹Bree
    Digital Media Studios Manager
    Faculty of Arts, Media and Design
    Staffordshire University

    http://www.staffs.ac.uk/academic/artdesign/mediacentre
     
    Darcy O'Bree, Dec 3, 2003
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  6. DaveA

    SjT Guest

    I have read the whole thread, i was involved in the damn thread when
    it was first posted!
    And also the CCD model on the top 3 searches found, so what the hell
    are you talking about?!

    And why should the guy search when he is already aware of what the
    TRV16 is?!

    To most people who have followed cams for more than a year the TRV16
    in its original form is the 8mm camcorder, if you dont specify the DCR
    model then its gonna confuse those who know of the original 8mm cams
    (As i said before), its understandable and no point to get heat up
    like you do.
    Welcome to usenet! Beleive it or not, not everyone chooses to compare
    their knowledge with google's, i posted in reply to your post because
    i dont think you have much ground to come on here and moan about this
    particular occurrence that you have dragged up, its a case of trying
    to stick a boot in un-necessarily.

    Why feel the need to do it? Please explain? Is it some personal
    vendetta that you've had all this time?!

    Personally i was involved in that thread and Tony saved me from
    getting the 8mm model as i wasnt aware that it existed. I had seen
    the ccd version cheap, luckily i didnt get it.
    Have you not ever considered that having people flame Tony has an
    adverse affect on his attitude towards people? Jerry's trying to stir
    shit up cause its a personal battle for him, and if he had any decency
    he would take it to his and tony's mailbox and not on here..

    But, SHOCK! HORROR! he doesnt! And why do you think he doesnt eh?!
    Because Jerry is trying to strip him down in public cause he's a sad
    individual despite several people saying that Tony gives great advice.

    And then we get the likes of you pulling out complete crap from usenet
    archives to jump on the guy more, im here to learn and discuss digital
    video, if ur not interested then go elsewhere as far as im concerned,
    if you dont like Tony's posts then kill file him, and kill file me too
    while you're at it cause i cant be arsed to reply to you.
    And you sound like a child now. If you have a problem with Tony cause
    he showed you up then email the guy, and get it out of our faces ffs.

    Just to confirm, i personally have nothing against you, Jerry or Tony
    and i would like to keep it that way, im just pished that so much crap
    is spouted about each other on here, sure its fun in moderation but
    not when its aimed at one person.
     
    SjT, Dec 3, 2003
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  7. DaveA

    Jerry. Guest

    But you do so even when it is you who is doing miss informing, rather than
    accept that you are wrong.
    But you also do that, in fact you have done so in this very thread, when I
    posted an old post of yours I cited the thread (in other words people could
    go and read the whole thread) which put the quote in context...
     
    Jerry., Dec 3, 2003
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  8. DaveA

    Darcy O'Bree Guest

    Clearly he wasn't! He wasn't aware that there was a DV version.
    If he's going to attack people and denounce them as fools then, damn right
    he'd better have his facts straight!

    It's one thing to say that you think somebody might be wrong but to label
    them a fool, accuse them of contributing nothing to the newsgroup, and
    question their credentials and credibility is way out of order, especially
    if he doesn't know what he's talking about in the first place.
    My first reaction when I saw that post was "Oh dear, looks like I've upset
    the guy who thinks he's king of the newsgroup" and I ignored it. I only
    raise it now in response to Tony's claim that "I don't consider any of the
    regulars here who offer advice and answers to questions fools". Clearly
    it's not the case.
    I'm aware of that but even though you also tried to bring his attention to
    the DV version he still wouldn't accept it would he.
    Have you ever considered that Tony's adverse attitude toward people is the
    reason he gets flamed?
    Yes he is and I've said as much elsewhere in this thread and this newsgroup.
    I don't kill file people. It's petulant. :))

    --

    Darcy O¹Bree
    Digital Media Studios Manager
    Faculty of Arts, Media and Design
    Staffordshire University

    http://www.staffs.ac.uk/academic/artdesign/mediacentre
     
    Darcy O'Bree, Dec 3, 2003
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  9. DaveA

    SjT Guest

    If you stated it was a DCR-TRV16 i think that would have made it clear
    dont you?
    You cannot accuse him of not knowing his stuff, and his attitude is
    well known to be harsh, but everyone knows that and there should be no
    problem?! Like i say, you and Jerry and whoever can just hit your
    killfile buttons and it saves all this bullcrap from being discussed.
    And do you see me upset?! ffs these are discussion forums not
    peace-lovin'-hippies-r-us! ;)
    Have you ever considered taking two bot.. oh wrong one..

    Look, this is my outlook on the guy:

    1. You aint gonna change him.
    2. He doesnt upset me personally.
    3. He knows he's stuff (Mostly).
    4. It would be a loss to the group if he left.

    Therefore im tired of this 'ganging' up that a few people are doing.
    And i havent really replied to you ;)
     
    SjT, Dec 4, 2003
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  10. DaveA

    Darcy O'Bree Guest

    "SjT" wrote:

    <snipped)
    All I can say is that I hope you have the ability to distinguish between his
    good advice and his nonsense. Because if you don't like it when people
    challenge him then you're left with no choice but to accept everything he
    says. Good luck sunshine!

    --

    Darcy O¹Bree
    Digital Media Studios Manager
    Faculty of Arts, Media and Design
    Staffordshire University

    http://www.staffs.ac.uk/academic/artdesign/mediacentre
     
    Darcy O'Bree, Dec 4, 2003
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  11. DaveA

    Ste Guest

    OK so certain people might not like each other in this ng... but do the rest
    of us really need to know - and indeed care - about it? No.

    So cant we just leave the bitchy comments out and get back on subject? lol.
    Would be nice, saves the rest of us sifting through a load of tripe when we
    read the new messages :)

    Of course I know its not going to happen, but thought i'd put in my
    christmas wish early :)

    Thanks :)

    Stephen.
     
    Ste, Dec 7, 2003
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  12. DaveA

    Tony Morgan Guest

    It's noteworthy that it's mainly the folk who've been put into my
    kill-file because they can't or won't contribute anything constructive
    to this newsgroup.

    The Lonely Soul is another who hasn't anything remotely constructive to
    contribute who's joined the others there. He has, BTW, an interesting
    monicker which suggest that he has no friends (and knows it) - perhaps
    because he displays the same lack of interpersonal skills in real life
    as he does here.

    I suppose I should feel sorry for him, the poor lonely soul :)
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 8, 2003
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  13. DaveA

    Lost Soul Guest

    Warm sentiments Steve and I wish things could really be like that....but
    when you have people doing things like Google searches to dig up dirt and
    posting BLATANT lies about other people, your kind wishes sort of fizzle
    into obscurity!
    Don't forget, some people ENJOY confrontation because they quite literally
    have NOTHING else in their lives.
    Sad but true I'm afraid :-(
     
    Lost Soul, Dec 8, 2003
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  14. DaveA

    Lost Soul Guest

    Don't get too cocky Tony, your come-uppence is LONG overdue.
    See you tommorow.
     
    Lost Soul, Dec 8, 2003
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  15. DaveA

    Jerry. Guest

    It is that sort of patronising response that causes this problem, have you
    ever thought that if / you / were not so ruddy rude and or patronising in
    your response to what in your / opinion / is miss information (and remember
    you have been proved to be wrong in the past) you just might not get the
    flack you do get ?..
    So, someone asks for a little bit of 'quite; in the group, no names
    mentioned and your response is to name names and thus stir up more trouble.
    You're either a troll Morgan or just an ignorant, self-loving fool.
     
    Jerry., Dec 8, 2003
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