Do you think the Sony 700 is as good as the Nikon D300?

Discussion in 'Sony' started by Bob, Dec 8, 2007.

  1. Bob

    Bob Guest

    Apparently, they have the same sensor, and even the same 640x480 display...

    I know the sensor isn't everything, there is also auto focus speed and accuracy,
    tone curves, all kinds of crap...

    Now I imagine that the Nikon is the better camera, due to Nikons superior use of
    things dealing with SLR cameras compared to Minolta...

    (Having been a Minolta technician for a while in the 70s, I know a bit about the
    crap they can make...)

    However, Sony does know a thing or 2 about imaging, so they should improve on
    Minolta's designs...

    Bottom line is - will the images from the 2 cameras be the same, assuming the
    photographer has mastered the camera, or will the Nikon always win?

    There IS a $700 saving with the Sony to consider... and at my level of expertise
    ( I am proud of at least 1% of my photos!) I don't really need a $2000 camera.

    I just want a camera with good eye relief and a big view thru a pentaprism...

    (Also the Sony has anti-shake which is good...)


    Comments welcome.

    Flames will be used to melt the snow that is presently falling.
     
    Bob, Dec 8, 2007
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    Mr. Strat Guest

    There's no Sony that's as good as a Nikon (and I don't own either).
     
    Mr. Strat, Dec 8, 2007
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    flambe Guest

    A great camera in unskilled hands will yield what?
    If you are a cameraholic technophile then camera specs are more important
    than the photos created with the camera. I think that sums up most of the
    posters on this newsgroup.
    Any current dSLR will meet your needs.
    Which to get is a matter of preference.
    Although the sensor and other electronics may be the same in differently
    badged dSLRs there are significant difference between brands with regard to
    exposure, focusing, jpeg processing etc. Which is better for you is up to
    you to decide.
     
    flambe, Dec 8, 2007
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    Paul Furman Guest

    The Sony jpeg is more contrasty & sharpened. It has more detail too. If
    the difference between raw & jpeg is that much it's hard to tell, maybe
    the Nikon applies more noise reduction to the jpegs.

    For the OP's needs the Sony seems to make sense. yes the in-camera
    stabilizing is nice and Minolta lenses are well respected. I don't know
    what the Sony kit lens is like but if the price includes a better kit
    lens & you are not planning to buy a bunch of lenses, that makes a big
    difference. In some cases like Olympus it gets real expensive to look at
    upgrading lenses so it's worth looking at what you (might) need in the
    future: superwide (architecture?), macro, long tele (wildlife, sports?),
    fixed 2.8 normal or wide zoom, etc.
     
    Paul Furman, Dec 8, 2007
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  5. Bob

    Bob Guest

    A chance to improve...
    I try not to be too techy (hard for a technician) but I'm in the market for a
    camera and I think the Sony will do me fine even if the Nikon is better... but
    there are a lot of Brand Nazis on this group... My biggest problem is trying to
    see thru the viewfinders on these small cameras, I think the 700 is improved
    over other models.

    Like someone else suggested - somebody should post photos without saying which
    camera took them - and have people guess... THAT would prove something...
     
    Bob, Dec 8, 2007
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  6. Bob

    Bob Guest

    What do you shoot with?


    OT Do you have a Strat?
     
    Bob, Dec 8, 2007
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    G.T. Guest

    Does anyone know what city was featured in those shots? Camera Labs is
    UK but that looks like New Zealand???

    Greg
     
    G.T., Dec 8, 2007
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    Mr. Strat Guest

    I use a Canon, but have nothing against Nikon.
    You betcha...bought it in 1980. It's a 70s style with large headstock,
    bullet truss rod, 3-bolt neck, etc. It's white (or used to be...more
    cream colored now).
    I also have a Les Paul Custom, Fender Jazz Bass, Yamaha acoustic, and a
    6/12 doubleneck.
    Amps include a Mesa Boogie, Fender bass amp, Marshall acoustic amp, and
    Vox Pathfinder 15R.
     
    Mr. Strat, Dec 8, 2007
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    C J Campbell Guest

    Pretty big assumption there. Going out on a limb and sawing it off, I
    would guess that no one here has used both cameras enough to say for
    sure. Otherwise, all you have is the opinions of the fan-boys.
     
    C J Campbell, Dec 8, 2007
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  10. Straight answer - the Nikon wins at ISO setting over 800, whether or not
    working from raw - both raw and JPEG qualities are better at high ISO.
    They are pretty much equal at 100-800. The Nikon has an amazingly
    advanced AF system but it doesn't really seem to transform the world;
    after a while, I punched centre sensor focus and forgot about the
    complex colour-metering linked shape recognition. But then I always seem
    to revert to using a single AF sensor in almost any camera with a wide
    focus area option.

    The A700 beats the Nikon outright in one respect only, the in-body
    stabilisation. There are situations where the Sony will win unless you
    use a VR lens, a monopod or a tripod. It is particularly relevant if you
    have access to decent Minolta/Sony AF glass - I have lenses like the
    100mm f2.8 soft focus and the 28mm f2, not to mention 500mm mirror and
    11-18mm wide zoom, 18-250mm Tamron, and 28-75mm f2.8, 50mm f1.4, 50mm
    macro. I get the benefit of stabilisation with these and it does count.

    On a marginal note, the Sony DRO Advanced option (applies only to JPEGs)
    works much better than Nikon's Active D-Lighting - you need to use Nikon
    Retouch Menu D-Lighting to get the same level of correction.

    The A700 user interface is slightly faster than the Nikon after you get
    to know both well. Nikon has a neater card formatting routine. Nikon has
    one or two 'to die for' new lenses which have no equivalent in the Sony
    system; Sony has the 16-80mm Zeiss. Nikon has limited backward
    compatibility with older lenses. Sony has total backward compatibility,
    to 1985, all AF lenses. Nikon already has a good line up of sonic motor
    focusing lenses. Sony has just a few hung over from Minolta, and
    anything more exciting is in an unknown future - for example, a pro
    grade f4.5-5.6 70-300mm sonic motor model is arriving in 2008.

    Also, with the Sony you get a neat wireless remote release and HDMI TV
    playback controller. With the Nikon you get Live View. If you shoot a
    lot of macro work etc that could be a dealbreaker.

    David

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    David Kilpatrick, Dec 8, 2007
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  11. Now there's the difference - Sony user here, Lowden O23, Lowden S35C,
    handbuilt Avandel 12-fret copy of O-size New Yorker, Godin Multiac
    nylon, self-built Grand Auditorium from Martin's own kit in
    rosewood/redwood, Lamaq GAL5190, Romanian rosewood/cedar classical,
    Brook Bovey 21.5" scale, Tacoma Papoose, 860mm scale acoustic bass, and
    AER Alpha amp.

    You see with that line-up, there's no way you would expect to find me
    using a mainstream camera brand either!

    David

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    David Kilpatrick, Dec 8, 2007
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  12. I used to play a D28. Mostly Van Ronk, Kottkey, Fahey, Jorma stuff.
    Nowadays I play swing and bebop on a Gibson L5 or D'Aquisto Centura,
    Polytone MegaBrute.
    Yep. I'm definately more mainstream. Also, I only play one guitar at a time.
    The Gibson hasn't been played since the D'Aquisto Centura arrived.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Dec 8, 2007
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    frederick Guest

    It is NZ - Queenstown. I think they moved there a couple of years ago.
    Half of the UK seems to be moving here.
     
    frederick, Dec 8, 2007
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    acl Guest

    Have you ever lived in the UK? Can't blame them :)
     
    acl, Dec 8, 2007
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    Matti Vuori Guest

    The sensor isn't all that makes the basic image. There are all kinds of
    electronics and image processing systems. All of which Nikon seems to make
    better than Sony. And has made, for years.
     
    Matti Vuori, Dec 8, 2007
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    acl Guest

    The d300 mounts and meters (including matrix metering in pretty much
    all cases) with all ai and ais lenses, which includes all af lenses
    and manual lenses made after 1977 (I think). You can modify older
    lenses to fit. Sony supports only minolta af lenses, from what I
    understand; eg it does not support md lenses (like the dynaxes
    didn't), which don't even mount.

    I can go into any used gear shop and buy manual focus nikkors for a
    lot less than the equivalent (or worse) current af models; in
    contrast, my md lenses are collecting dust because they did not fit
    onto my 7xi.

    So to say that nikon's backward compatibility is partial while Sony's
    total is misleading. Unless you consider the fact the 2 (or 3) lenses
    made for the f3af and so on don't work to be significant.

    Having said that, I'd agree that the in-camera stabilization is a
    significant advantage to the sony. Since the OP also is worried about
    the cost, I'd personally probably go for the sony, although I haven't
    handled it.
     
    acl, Dec 9, 2007
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    Desdemona Guest

    Cool!

    I have a 1996 "50th Anniversary" Strat - candy apple red... single coils...

    I also have an old 70s Precision Base that I refinished due to it being kind of
    trashed... but doesn't have the Fender neck...

    I have a few old amps here, Traynor, Ampeg and stuff, but I mostly design and
    build my own guitar amps...

    You might like my site...

    http://www.geocities.com/flintstudio/index.html
     
    Desdemona, Dec 9, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    Based solely on price of the body, the Sony maybe be a better
    enthusiast's camera, but if you anticipate any need for
    weatherproofing, it isn't. Also, Sony's accessories are very
    expensive so in the long run the saving might be eroded.
     
    RichA, Dec 9, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    Why?
     
    RichA, Dec 9, 2007
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