Does any other program (windows or linux) do screenshot annotationefficiently?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Danny D., Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    i guess all of the times i've used it to view images never happened.

    usually i use quicklook but a lot of times i will use photoshop,
    especially if it's already running, which means i don't have to launch
    yet another app.
     
    Guest, May 25, 2013
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  2. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    it's fairly obvious what was meant. the discussion was about viewing
    images, not editing a viewer which doesn't even make sense.
    except when it's the same app, such as photoshop, preview, etc.

    if you mean bridge, that can do limited editing, such as rotation,
    which is what this was about in the first place.
    nothing like that at all.
     
    Guest, May 25, 2013
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  3. Danny D.

    Savageduck Guest

    ....and what the hell is Bridge for?
     
    Savageduck, May 25, 2013
  4. Dunno. That link opens a message that doesn't seem to relate at all
    to question you asked about my willingness to the train the OP.[/QUOTE]

    Seems you have lost the context. Try finding it again.

    Of course. You advocate expensive photoshop because you
    object to no cost and free software that does photo editing
    on the basis that a can-do-everything-program like photoshop
    is somehow superior for that task. Then you also don't want
    to train the OP for free.

    Open several photoshop windows? Why use a program that can
    do less, even if it's better for a specific task at hand?

    My position is that a program should do one task and do it
    well; and that they are able to be used as building blocks
    wherever possible.
    My standard example is the 'ls' program, which lists files in
    a directory. No, unlike the Windows exporer it doesn't move
    them and doesn't even allow you to change the current directory.
    But it can do a lot of tricks the explorer can't.

    For special tasks that happen repeatedly to you a matching
    special task software usually makes sense. OK, if you know
    photoshop and annotate 1 screenshot a year this may be
    different, but that's obviously not what the OP wants.
    If all you have is a hammer ... yes, you *can* hammer in
    screws, lenses, window panes. That doesn't make that a great
    idea, though, just because a screw driver is more limited
    in application.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 25, 2013
  5. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Snippage is a problem here. I said Bridge is a viewer.

    While it is possible to open, say, 10 images in PS and use it as a
    viewer, it's a very impractical operation. If they are RAW files,
    they will open in RAW module. If they are .psd or .jpg or .tiff, they
    will open in PS. In any case, you will have to take the extra step of
    closing ten files or "close all". In Bridge, you will have a
    gallery-type display and merely arrow to the next image with no need
    to close any.

    The whole idea of a viewer is to see each file and decide which need
    opening and editing. If you are going open and edit every file, you
    can do it in PS but you really aren't using PS as a viewer with that
    method.

    By "editing", I mean anything from converting a RAW file to a .psd,
    ..tiff, or .jpg to re-sizing or cropping. Nothing more need be done to
    be "editing", but much more can be done.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 25, 2013
  6. Danny D.

    Savageduck Guest

    I know! I know!
    I guess my rhetorical question flag wasn't prominent enough. ;-)
    Yup!
    That leaves one question to be asked; who would actually use PS of any
    flavor as a "viewer" when there are far better tools to use, especially
    when one of those tools (Bridge) is a part of the PS CS package?
     
    Savageduck, May 25, 2013
  7. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    actually it works rather well for it.
    depends on the settings, and camera raw can display multiple thumbnail
    images.
    close all is one step.
    it's a different app and neither is 'better'. it depends what you want
    to do. if you want bigger images than thumbnails, you might end up
    opening them in photoshop *anyway*.
    if you view images, you are using it as a viewer. it's certainly
    overkill but it can be used for that purpose.
     
    Guest, May 25, 2013
  8. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    if ps is currently running, why not?

    also, if the image to be viewed is a photoshop document, then it's
    likely the best choice.
     
    Guest, May 25, 2013
  9. Danny D.

    J. Clarke Guest

    So what percentage of US households contain one of those? What
    percentage contain Windows?
    Nobody "handholds" me, I handhold others. But there's not as much
    market for that as there used to be.
    I was not aware that Western Electric phones had operating systems.
    Yes, the one provided by the OS is alwasy lossless. It flips a bit
    indicating orientation.
    Applications that do not determine the correct orientation from the EXIF
    are broken.
    You're the one asserting need, it's up to you to show that the need
    exists.
     
    J. Clarke, May 25, 2013
  10. Danny D.

    Savageduck Guest

    Not necessarily. Actually not the best choice at all for multiple image
    files. For example, I shoot RAW, not RAW+JPEG, but RAW. Try opening,
    say 10 NEF image files in CS6 at once. Each of those would have to be
    processed through ACR before being opened in Photoshop. This is not
    exactly an efficient way to "view" a bunch of RAW image files.

    Personally, my workflow uses LR+CS in tandem, both are quite capable of
    handling Photoshop documents, as is the Bridge+CS workflow combo which
    I use from time to time.

    If I am using CS6 for a single file I might have an opportunity to work
    on, I have no need for a "viewer" I just open that file, RAW or
    otherwise in CS6. If RAW, ACR will open to give me the various process
    options I need to get the RAW into CS6.

    All my "viewing" I will do in LR4, Bridge, or Preview, each of those
    has little trouble with Photoshop documents or RAW files.
     
    Savageduck, May 25, 2013
  11. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    I assume you've never used Bridge. Tapping the space bar when a
    thumbnail is active in Bridge makes the image display full screen.
    This is a larger view than the image in PS because no screen space is
    taken by anything other than the image.

    With the image as full screen, use of the arrow keys will move to the
    next image, and in full screen view.

    If you do want to view thumbnails, there is a slider adjustment that
    sets the size of the thumbnail. Using the "Light Table" module, on my
    screen, the smallest setting displays a row of 39 thumbnails, and on
    the largest setting it displays 2.5 images on my primary screen and a
    single image 10" wide on my second screen. The larger setting
    displays a image on my primary screen at 7" wide.

    With two screens, as I have, I can use Bridge as a viewer of very
    large images on one screen, and open and edit a file on the other
    screen.

    Let's make a deal: I won't tell you how iPhone apps work because I've
    never used any, and you don't tell me how a program that you've never
    used works.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 25, 2013
  12. Danny D.

    PeterN Guest

    Have you tried fiilmstrip mode in Brodge.

    Can be, yes. Practical to do so, no.
     
    PeterN, May 25, 2013
  13. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    Not necessarily.[/QUOTE]

    what do you suggest as a better alternative for a photoshop document
    than photoshop itself?

    you can see the embedded composite in other apps but that's not always
    useful.
    depends. sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
    i was talking about psd. if you want to talk about nefs, then you can
    easily open multiple raws, see thumbnails of all of them and process
    them together, all in camera raw, and then open all of them into
    separate photoshop documents.
    i use lightroom almost exclusively, unless i want to do something
    specific for a single photo.
    nearly all of my 'viewing' is quicklook. what could be easier than tap
    and view?

    however, if photoshop is already open, i might open it there. there is
    no one perfect app for all situations.

    many times i drag the image to a browser. this even works from another
    web page.
     
    Guest, May 25, 2013
  14. Oh, I'd say most any household contains windows and glass.
    But most any window is to not conductive to quality photography.

    What does it say when "you get what you paid for" when you're
    actually *paid* to touch that stuff?

    Which make and model is your modem and your router?

    Oh, you're still on a purely mechanical switching board, too?

    That's not rotation, and you know it.

    Really? Then my camera is half-broken, because I can tell it
    to disregard the so-called 'correct' orientation from the EXIF.

    You first asserted no need. So it's up to you to prove it.
    "E.g. when you rotate images in, say, smugmug, they have someone
    who instantly handles the request manually by mousing it in
    Windows ..." Over to you.

    I do need you to consider paying me for handholding you
    through reading postings.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 25, 2013
  15. You found the crucial point of the whole discussion: "Possible
    but not exactly efficient".

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 25, 2013
  16. Danny D.

    J. Clarke Guest

    Are you on the same drugs as Lindsay Lohan and Amanda Bynes?
    Now you ask. Freeware that I have used has a variety of shortcomings
    ranging from poor performance and crappy documentation to just plain
    lack of features. I resisted Windows for a long long time before
    finally recognizing that it just plain wasn't worth the effort.
    J. Clarke 005.
    I have no idea what relevance a "switching board" whatever that might be
    has to the discussion.
    Actually that is how 90 degree rotations work with JPEGs.
    Your telling it to ignore something that it has successfully recognized
    is not breakage.
    You are aware are you not that if you tried that one in a US court the
    opposing council would say "objection" and the judge would say
    "sustained"?
    I have no idea what relevance Smugmug has to the discussion.
    First you need to provide something of value.
     
    J. Clarke, May 26, 2013
  17. Danny D.

    Savageduck Guest

    It sounds more like a Roseanne Roseannadanna, "Never mind" moment.
     
    Savageduck, May 26, 2013
  18. Danny D.

    George Kerby Guest

    That was Emily, not Roseanne, Duck...
     
    George Kerby, May 26, 2013
  19. Danny D.

    Alan Browne Guest


    I would use PS to "view" a few images if PS were already running - agreed.

    But to look at a bunch, I would open Bridge (or even the underwhelming
    Apple Preview) even if PS were already running.

    Quicklook doesn't always render .jpg's sharply for some reason.

    Launch times for apps and memory penalties are nearing no-impact. My
    next computer will get an immediate upgrade to 24 GB and eventually 32
    GB. It will likely have a fusion drive meaning very fast loads for even
    large programs.

    Although with that much memory I'll probably just leave PS and Bridge
    (and several other large apps) loaded at all times.
     
    Alan Browne, May 26, 2013
  20. Danny D.

    Savageduck Guest

    Just Gilda Radner wackiness all the same. ;-)
     
    Savageduck, May 26, 2013
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