DPreview's Richard Butler "apologizes" and corrects Sony A350 review

Discussion in 'Sony' started by Focus, Jun 11, 2008.

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    Oh, yes, be proud of yourself, Sosushi. Wow.
    And no, it wasn't forgotten, you merely did not read the
    review --- as has been pointed out in the thread above.

    [lots of wanking deleted]
    Go get yourself a prostitute, or at least do it at home, not
    in public.

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 12, 2008
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    An idiot's car.

    It's a SUV. A heavy, aerodynamically pessimized, gas-guzzling
    people killer (especially others, but also passengers and drivers,
    in an accident). An updressed truck with all the safety features
    and economy of a truck (none to speak of) instead of those of
    a car. It's not an offroad vehicle (even the first generation had
    neither the low gears nor locking differentials real off-roaders

    And noone uses it as an off-road vehicle.
    Neither is 'good' unless you have a very small penis.

    Have a read:

    And Sony you need when you have no arguments left.

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 12, 2008
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  3. And you do need a brain transplant.
    van de Meppelink, Jun 12, 2008
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    jon Guest


    Shut up. Just go and take some pictures, for the love of ****. God
    knows you need the practice.
    jon, Jun 12, 2008

  5. I haven't made a study of penis' - but I'm happy with mine and also I have a

    I like 'em both - both are large and rugged, both are an imposing source of
    envy to proles like you - and, to the best of my knowledge, neither had yet
    killed anyone.

    You sound disgruntled and envious enough to be a cyclist - almost certainly
    a bearded cyclist, with a well thumbed copy of the 'I-Spy' Book of Trees
    permanently in your saddlebag.

    You see, I don't actually care much about the 'environment' - I like driving
    2 tonne's of steel about because it's safe for me and my family (despite
    your nonsensical assertion to the contrary) If a careless driver (or even a
    wobbling cyclist) hits me I will almost certainly come off best. (in the
    case of the cyclist you can remove the 'almost')

    It's also a lot of fun to go off-road - until I tried it myself I had no
    idea just how exhilarating it is to bounce over tracks and climb steep
    muddy banks.

    Get yourself some knobbly cycle tyres and try it ;)
    Not mad, but nearly..., Jun 12, 2008
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    newsmb Guest

    And it doesn't occur to you that a vehicle that doesn't stop or turn
    nearly as well as a passenger car, and is prone to rolling over
    because of its high centre of mass and height/width ratio, is
    inherently _less_ safe than a compact car? The only added "safety" you
    acheive is the likelihood that you'll kill anyone in a passenger car
    in the event of a collision. But with SUVs, trucks and minivans
    accounting for well over 50% of North American vehicle sales, your
    chances of running into something significantly smaller are not that
    great. Meanwhile you and your kind have made the roads much less safe
    for everyone else. Thank you very much.

    Then again it probably doesn't occur to you either that there is maybe
    enough recoverable oil left in the ground for a few more decades at
    the current rate of consumption. Nope. Not an issue for you.

    You don't care about the environment. Good for you. Meanwhile, in the
    US alone you're already seeing severe drought in the Southwest, major
    flooding in the Mississipi Valley, and a rise in the frequency and
    severity of hurricanes. And yet you tool happily along in your 3-ton
    vehicle without a care in the world.
    newsmb, Jun 12, 2008
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    Pboud Guest

    What... The... F##K, does this have to do with cameras?
    Pboud, Jun 12, 2008
  8. The only added "safety" you
    I should point out that I live in the UK - and we drive 'Europe-size' 4x4's
    which, unlike the American variety, have a habit of remaining upright.

    As for 'making the roads unsafe for everyone else' - I can scarcely even
    begin to tell you how little I care about that! As long as my own family
    are safe, everyone else can take their chances, as far as I'm concerned.

    I don't have a highly developed social conscience, you see - I just care for
    those whom I love.

    A few more decades will do me nicely, thank you.

    That's why you need a car with air conditioning.

    And a car with good traction in the wet.

    and a rise in the frequency and
    A heavy car helps there, too.... ;) And don't forget to lay the fate of
    the Ganges Delta on me, as well. That rat-hole is sinking into the sea, and
    I can barely sleep at night due to remorse.

    And yet you tool happily along in your 3-ton
    Well, that's about the size of it. Yes.

    BTW - most people feel exactly the same - I'm just a little more honest and
    I refuse to try and pacify the vile hypocritical eco-Nazi's. They don't
    want any form of 'sustainable car ownership' - they only people they want
    driving cars is, er, themselves. Everyone else can walk.
    Not mad, but nearly..., Jun 12, 2008
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    Alan LeHun Guest

    And just who do you love?

    Only yourself apparently....
    Alan LeHun, Jun 12, 2008

  10. Like most normal people I love my family - love them more than I love
    myself, in fact - and that's how it should be.

    The most sickening thing that's being rammed down our throats today is the
    entirely bogus idea of 'world love'

    People don't believe a word of it, of course, but they nevertheless feel
    obliged (for some inexplicable reason) to pretend that they 'care' about
    people whom they have never met, nor ever will.

    When this society goes pear-shaped (and it assuredly will) we will see how
    much of this 'love' survives. when strangers are stabbing each other for a
    loaf of bread, when law and order has broken down, when the veneer of
    'society' has been stropped away, we will see how much true compassion

    Hint - it won't be much.

    I don't love you - and I certainly don't expect you to love me. I don't
    wish you good or ill - I just don't care. I care only about the people who
    are dear to me - and neither you, nor the multitudes in Africa are in that

    We are tribal people at heart - and we care only for our own tribe and kin.

    That's how it works in the real word.
    Not mad, but nearly..., Jun 12, 2008
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Amongst the lowest quality vehicles in the world?

    Per a WashPost table a couple years ago Land Rover had the highest
    non-quality rate of the big manufacturers. (about 800 defects per 100
    vehicles in first three years of use).

    Where, surprisingly, brands like Mercedez and BMW ended up in the middle
    of the rating;

    Toyota, Honda, Acura, Lexus were at the very top (no surprise);

    Buick and Mercury were very good with defect rates about half of
    Benz/BMW. (surprise)

    But Land Rover was the absolute pits. I've heard nothing to suggest
    that they have improved.

    I've stuck with Honda (me: 3 cars; ex-wife 2; SO: 1) since 1990.
    Absolutely no regrets, though my next car might be a Toyota. TBD.
    Alan Browne, Jun 12, 2008
  12. It does seem to be the case that the current remarkable enthusiasm for
    SUV's is due to the general impression that something big and strong
    with lots of steel and rubber between you and the rest of the world
    must be safe. All other things being equal that would be the case. But
    they aren't. Most SUV's are in practice a great deal less safe than
    their owners imagine, due to the lack of other important safety
    features. The SUV manufacturers have discovered that the average car
    buyer isn't interested in "invisible" safety features that need some
    investigation and technical understanding to grasp. They want
    something that gives the simple gut-feel safety impression of lots of
    big tough steel.

    Here's a very good analysis of the phenomenon from the New Yorker:

    Chris Malcolm, Jun 13, 2008
  13. You're quite right. That kind of behaviour has been remarkably
    evolutionarily successful, and the most remarkable case of all has
    been homo sapiens. Unlike any other large animal we have succeeded not
    only in adapting to a very wide range of climates and habitats but
    doing it so successfully that the only other large animals which have
    achieved comparably large world population numbers are those we farm
    for our own food. In fact our world population and command of
    planetary resources has become so extensive that we are the first
    large animal to start forcing the ecology of the entire planet to
    adapt to our use of it.

    There seems little doubt that the extra magic ingredient which has
    given us such extraordinary success is our big brains. Those enable us
    to carry out experiments in our imaginations. Where other animals
    faced with a choice simply have to go with their instincts and
    feelings and die if their hunch turns out to be badly wrong, we can
    think things through in advance of committing ourselves to action and
    let our ideas die in our stead. Sometimes thinking things through will
    tell us that what our instincts and gut feelings really really want is
    going to turn out really really badly. It seems that being able to
    choose to suppress our powerful natural urges and follow our ideas
    instead has proved valuable enough in our evolutionary past that our
    big brains are equipped with that facility. Unlike any other animal we
    can, after thinking things through, say no to what we really really

    Some of us have thought things through and decided that our current
    position of planetary dominance means that if we continue to follow
    our basic tribal urges we are not only going to make life a lot
    tougher for those other people we don't care about, we're going to
    make life so tough that our civilisation will be threatened, and
    possibly continued existence of the entire human race.

    Are you prepared to consider the possibility that in our usage of the
    natural resouces of the planet that it may be time to start using our
    intelligence even if it contradicts our basic tribal gut instincts?
    Even if it goes as far as seeming to be rather unmanly?
    Chris Malcolm, Jun 13, 2008
  14. And you are also a saint, right?
    Do you often suffer from amnesia?
    An upstart prole, hating other proles (and cyclists) for reminding
    him what he was; an upstart prole that feels the others will love
    him better if he squashes what he was and deep inside is.

    I pity you. It's a huge cross you have to carry with your
    overweening ego. In Athens, hubris was a crime for it lead to
    often to violence --- and you show all the signs or
    externalized self-hate leading to hubris.

    Hubris is also a mortal sin, according to the roman catholic
    church. May someone pray for your soul.
    If it _was_ indeed safe, you would have an argument.

    It isn't, it's just appealing to your reptilian hind brain
    that "high, large, has breasts --- aeh, cup holders" equates
    You know I'm right, therefore you must not even look at the truth.
    Admitting one is wrong is terribly hard, especially for you.
    That describes SUV drivers to a tee. Give me a driver who's
    instinctively a bit nervous about his skin (even though his
    vehicle is 10 times safer!) any day instead of a wannabe-Rambo
    driver who thinks himself invincible and untouchable.

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 13, 2008
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    Pboud Guest

    Actually, one of the *primary* reasons I always get a sedan instead of a
    compact is the ability to take damage. I'm fairly utilitarian when it
    comes to vehicles, so trucks, SUVs etc. don't really appeal. Minivan
    would be considered based on carrying capacity, but again, the mileage
    on those sucks.
    Actually, by your description, *all* you drivers are a danger to me
    while I cycle.

    Can we get back to cameras now?

    Pboud, Jun 13, 2008
  16. By your standards, I'd be perfectly within my moral rights to
    preventively kill you before you hurt me or my family.

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 13, 2008
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