dslr cheaper than 300d?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Mark B., Aug 19, 2004.

  1. Mark B.

    Mark B. Guest

    Nope, not unless you want to look for a used D30 or D60.

    Mark
     
    Mark B., Aug 19, 2004
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    Rick Guest

    Yes...a used 300D.
     
    Rick, Aug 19, 2004
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  3. Is there a digital slr available that is cheaper than the 300d? I already
    have a telephoto lens for my eos300 film, so canon would be preferable (I'll
    live with the 1.6 mag/crop), but I could always sell my film camera complete
    with lens if I could find a cheaper digital equivalent.

    I don't want to spend 700 GBP on a camera to replace my film version - it
    just doesn't seem worth it and I know the compact digital cameras are slow
    to take photos and slow to switch on etc, but they also only cost from just
    150-200 pounds! I could probably sell my 300+lens+bag+bits for nearly that
    and go digital for nothing, but I like my slr.

    Advice? Stick with film for now?, or take the plunge and go digital
    compact?, or can I get a cheap dslr?
     
    Gareth Tuckwell, Aug 19, 2004
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  4. Mark B.

    Mark Roberts Guest

    Not yet. Wait a couple of months. Photokina is coming next month.
     
    Mark Roberts, Aug 19, 2004
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  5. As I see it, there are three (maybe more) levels of photographer -
    professional, amateur and people who own nice cameras but only use them on
    holidays and at weddings. Without trying to put myself down, I fall into the
    last category, so you must forgive me - what/who is photokina and why would
    it make digital cameras cheaper?
     
    Gareth Tuckwell, Aug 19, 2004
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  6. Mark B.

    ÈÀ¼¼ Guest

    How about the SIGMA SD9 ?
    It took lovely pictures on day light.
     
    ÈÀ¼¼, Aug 19, 2004
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  7. Mark B.

    Mark Roberts Guest

    Phoptokina is a massive bi-annual trade show that's taking place next
    month. Many manufacturers will debut new models there. Pentax has a
    sub-$900.00 DSLR (already officially announced) that will certainly be
    shown there. Other manufacturers may spring surprises.
     
    Mark Roberts, Aug 19, 2004
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    Arty Facting Guest

    trade show and like most trade shows a way bto make a splash when the whole
    industry is looking over its collective shoulders to see what wil unwrap

    consequences: like most trade shows - what will be moved on to make room for
    the new models

    Arts

     
    Arty Facting, Aug 19, 2004
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    JPS Guest

    In message <>,
    The SD9's unexplored niche is B&W still-life. If you had a special
    tripod mount that could move the the camera at fractions of the angle of
    view between adjacent pixels, the camera could take 9 pictures instead
    of one, in a grid of 3 times the resolution as the sensor. For example,
    if the angle between pixels were one minute, the mount could move the
    camera to 8 subpixel locations in a grid of 20 seconds, and take a total
    of nine images, which would make for a hardly-aliased 30.87 MP image.
    Color sensitivity would still be a problem, but if you use the RAW data
    for B&W, a RAW converter could use a "channel mixer" for the three
    native channels.
    --
     
    JPS, Aug 20, 2004
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  10. The right way to do this sort of supersampling is to keep the lens
    absolutely fixed with respect to the subject, so the imaging geometry
    doesn't change at all, and either move the sensor a fraction of a pixel
    in X and Y (with some sort of micromover stage), or to slightly shift
    the image between the lens and the sensor using a thin sheet of glass
    that rotates around horizontal and vertical axes. I've seen cameras
    that did both of these back when the highest resolution inexpensive CCDs
    were 720x580 pixels.

    The problem with rotating the whole camera is that the multiple images
    you gather don't have the same geometry and don't overlay correctly
    unless you resample them to correct for the change in geometry.

    Dave
     
    Dave Martindale, Aug 20, 2004
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  11. Mark B.

    JPS Guest

    In message <cg5ei3$3v$>,
    True, but then it wouldn't be an SD9. I was thinking of some use in
    which the SD9 itself would be superior.

    I realize that the angle between pixels is not exactly the same from
    center to corner, but I figure it is small enough that the 9 sub-pixel
    locations should be accurate enough not to overlap with each other.
    --
     
    JPS, Aug 20, 2004
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    Drifter Guest

    Photokina is the big "trade show" in Germany where all the new and
    upcoming stuff gets unveiled. Inevitably it causes a drop in the
    price of camera gear as retailers try to dump the old stock to make
    way for the new stuff coming out. It's why October is generally the
    nicest month to buy stuff (as long as you don't want to be cutting
    edge).


    Drifter
    "I've been here, I've been there..."
     
    Drifter, Aug 22, 2004
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    Skip M Guest

    The new Canon 20D has a b&w mode, allowing for yellow/red/green filtration
    and tonality adjustments. It will be very interesting to see the results
    from this. 2 1/3 times the monochrome resolution of the SD9/10 twins.
     
    Skip M, Aug 22, 2004
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  14. Mark B.

    JPS Guest

    In message <[email protected]>,
    Sounds like a "do it in the camera instead of software" gimmick to me.
    Unless you can move the CFA out of the way, you are not going to be able
    to filter the greyscale data with anything but the default RGB ->
    Luminance weighting without losing resolution. If you are interested in
    only the red, or blue channels, resolution drops to 2MP. If you are
    only interested in green, 4MP in a FUJI-like pattern.
    --
     
    JPS, Aug 22, 2004
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  15. Mark B.

    Skip M Guest

    It should be. Or at least interesting. As yet, I've not achieved an
    acceptable digital conversion from a color digital file in PShop.
    Admittedly, my standards for acceptability may be unrealistically high, in
    comparing digital to film. But that's where it stands.
    And from a workflow standpoint, it is very interesting, since I have
    requests for b&w only shoots, and converting one image after another is, to
    put it mildly, tedious.
    Climb down off of your RAW high horse, occasionally, and look around at
    reality.
     
    Skip M, Aug 22, 2004
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  16. Mark B.

    Skip M Guest

    I'm hoping for something close to the latter. If it isn't there, it isn't
    there. The filtration options are what really interest me. Putting a red
    filter on the DSLR doesn't work for my, psychologically, and tweaking it in
    PShop hasn't gotten the results I want, compared to Ilford XP-2 and Kodak
    Plus-X.
     
    Skip M, Aug 22, 2004
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  17. Mark B.

    Skip M Guest

    You may be right, we won't know until the camera ships, and we can see the
    results.
     
    Skip M, Aug 22, 2004
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  18. Mark B.

    Mark B. Guest

    B/W mode by itself isn't, but what's interesting about the 10D is that Canon
    has built-in color filters specifically for the it.

    Mark
     
    Mark B., Aug 23, 2004
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    Mark B. Guest

    All I'm saying is it's more interesting than a plain b/w mode. Let's see
    how it actually does rather than condemning it before anyone sees samples.

    Mark
     
    Mark B., Aug 23, 2004
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  20. Mark B.

    Mark B. Guest

    I've not seen a camera that offers built-in filters spefically for b/w, so
    that's new to me. As for useful, that's up to the individual user.
    That's all I'm doing too.

    Mark
     
    Mark B., Aug 23, 2004
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