dubai sunset

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by ___P:Sir, Apr 27, 2013.

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    ___P:Sir Guest

    ___P:Sir, Apr 27, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    I wouldn'y call us experts, but there are some thing you could have
    done to make this a better shot than it is.
    I probably would have shot at a lower ISO than the 800 you used. I
    would have made the shot in landscape orientation.

    As to producing something framable, that is up to you. Personally I
    don't believe you should even think about saving the foreground, it is
    a major distraction.
    The first thing I would do is make a crop taking out most of the
    foreground as it is out of focus and of little interest. The subject is
    without doubt the globe glowing through the haze. So my suggested crop
    would be a "Landscape" crop taking out the bottom half to two thirds of
    your portrait oriented original.

    Then I would make a slight increase to contrast.
    If you have a RAW file to work from your final effort might be easier
    to produce without much further image degradation.

    That would give a result something such as this:
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/P-Sun-w.jpg >
     
    Savageduck, Apr 27, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : How would You experts correct this one - especially the foreground - to make
    : it worth a place in a wall frame?
    : http://www.granvista.dk/dubai/DSCF6326.JPG
    :
    : preben/denmark

    I'm going to do a Tony Cooper and suggest that you cut it off right above the
    topmost dark shrub. This would radically change the aspect ratio, but I think
    it arguably makes a better picture. As sunset pictures go, this one has an
    unusually bland and boring sun. So I think your best bet is a minimalist
    approach, matching the bland sun to the equally bland foreground. The result
    is a not unappealing allegory of, say, Jupiter rising over a horizon on Mars.

    Ideally, you might either darken the radio tower slightly or clone it out
    altogether. But if that proves difficult, I think you can get away with
    leaving the tower as it is.

    Depending on how large you want the print to be, you may also want to do a bit
    of noise reduction. But the necessity for that is very hard to gauge from a
    Web display.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Apr 27, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    From a non-expert: more light.
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 28, 2013
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    MC Guest

    Savageduck wrote:

    I absolutely disagree. The foregound, even though uninteresting, does
    lend itself to giving the image some "depth" and together with it being
    in portrait makes this 100 times better than just another "flat"
    picture of the sun at sunset in boring old landscape mode.
    All this image needs is some quality noise reduction (if it is to be
    printed large), and a tad brightness, contrast and staturation increase.

    MC
     
    MC, Apr 28, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    That is what opinion is about. I have mind and you have yours.
    I just can't see myself going to the effort of framing an uncropped
    version of the original in portrait orientation.

    What would you propose doing to fix this otherwise marginal quality
    image file with a questionable foreground?
    The atmospherics are not particularly attractive, and the foreground is
    OoF and too deep. The thing which is interesting and compelling is that
    Sun glowing through the haze and its position above the dune/ridge line.

    Quality noise reduction is a start, but having shot at ISO 800 with
    questionable light quality it is already behind the curve. The FujiFilm
    HS10 used for this capture is not noted as a good low light performer
    and although it offers ISO settings up to 6400, reviews note that
    in-camera noise reduction is over done at ISO levels higher than ISO
    400, leading to image softness. That is one of the issues with this
    particular capture.

    Increased contrast is pretty obvious, perhaps some tonal contrast
    tweak. Certainly adjust brightness & saturation to taste. However, you
    are still left with a rough capture of a scene with great potential,
    desperately in need of a crop.

    Ultimately the choice is up to the OP, "Preben". Since none of us is
    aware of his photographic experience, or taste, or what he truly thinks
    of the shot (I believe he thinks this is one of the best shots he has
    produced to date), or what exactly he is trying to get from any of us
    who have responded in good faith with our opinions, he will just have
    to deal with our opinions and make his choices. I stand by mine.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 29, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    Although I didn't use so many words, that's more or less what I meant
    with my original comment.

    I don't think there is much wrong with the composition but the image
    could do with more punch.
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 29, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest


    This is one of those photos that, if I took it, I would think "There
    was a photograph there, but I didn't quite get it." I've had my share
    of those.
     
    Tony Cooper, Apr 29, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Bingo!
     
    Savageduck, Apr 29, 2013
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    That's funny, because except for the sun the entire image is black and
    white.
     
    Alfred Molon, Apr 29, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    Something is wrong with either your monitor or your eyes.
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31088803/Desert Sunrise 1.JPG
    is the result of a first fiddle on my part and one thing is certain,
    the image is not black or white. In fact I had a great deal of trouble
    locating a patch of black.
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 29, 2013
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    You have massively boosted the saturation levels. In the original image,
    except for the sun, there is barely any colour:
    http://www.granvista.dk/dubai/DSCF6326.JPG

    It's essentially a black and white image with a little colour in the
    sun. The sky, the sand, the plants, everything is grey in that image...

    Even in your image with the boosted saturation levels the desert sand is
    still grey.
     
    Alfred Molon, Apr 29, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    No I haven't. I've applied a change to contrast/brightness of the sand
    using a gradient filter and reduced the width by 10%. Otherwise I
    haven't played around with the image at all.
    The shrubbery is green and there is an olive-green tinge to the sand.
    "essentially black and white" is not quite the same as "except for the
    sun the entire image is black and white".
    Not on my colour-calibrated (Spyder) screen.
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 30, 2013
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