DVD finilise question

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by divoch, Oct 28, 2007.

  1. divoch

    divoch Guest

    I am new to DVD recording and have this question: When I record one episode
    (say a 1hour recording) on DVD-RW and then finalize it so that I can lend it
    to someone to watch will I be able to then record further episodes without
    any problems or must I not finalize until all recordings are made? In other
    words does finalisation affect only the recording(s) made so far but does
    not affect unused part of the disc in any way?

    Thank you
    divoch, Oct 28, 2007
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  2. divoch

    divoch Guest

    That seems quite a disadvantage . I would not be able to give it to a friend
    to watch the first episode before the next and there are 6 of them. Is it
    also true also for +RW or, as someone mentioned to me, I would not need to
    finalize these and they should work on a normal DVD player ?
    divoch, Oct 28, 2007
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    Mark A Guest

    Pioneer recorders can do that, but they're unique in that respect. It's
    not a normal function for DVD recorders.


    Mark A, Oct 28, 2007
  4. divoch

    G Hardy Guest

    You appear to be quite honoured! Posts like this usually get the copyright
    police crawling all over them... ;o)
    G Hardy, Oct 29, 2007
  5. divoch

    divoch Guest

    Hmm, I am not a copyright expert but what would all those DVD recorders,
    PVRs and, in the past, VHS recorders be for if not for recording TV
    programmes for the purpose of watching them later? I know that some people
    have video cameras but I am sure that storing this video is not the main use
    for the recorders.
    I was asked by a friend to record a TV programme because he was not at home
    to see it. Then I realised that it is not one off but a first part out of 6.
    That is when I realised that there may be a problem with my DVD -RWs if I
    was asked to add future episodes to it.

    divoch, Oct 29, 2007
  6. divoch

    G Hardy Guest

    That's not the issue...

    That's the issue.
    G Hardy, Oct 29, 2007
  7. divoch

    divoch Guest

    So, I can record it for myself but not for a friend even if he returns DVD
    back to me? Where is the boundary of what is OK and what is not? Can I
    record it for my son or wife?
    My friend has now seen the first episode (Long Way Down) and returned DVD
    back to me. Is there still issue and what exactly?
    I am not looking for an argument but would like to be clear about these
    issues if that is possible.

    divoch, Oct 29, 2007
  8. divoch

    G Hardy Guest

    You're not supposed to record stuff then keep it yourself, let alone lend it
    to someone else. Legally, VCRs and subsequent technologies are supposed to
    have had the recording facility for the purpose of "timeshifting" - when you
    want to watch something but it doesn't fit in with the time that's
    convenient for you.

    Most licences for shop-bought media restrict the lending of the media. That
    will be no different to material you've timeshifted.
    G Hardy, Oct 29, 2007
  9. divoch

    divoch Guest

    Is there any written legal definition of how long the "timeshift" can be?
    I look at it differently. I have done service to my friend by recording
    a program for the purpose of "timeshifting". It is his recording, I have not
    lend him anything, except a blank DVD. He has now returned a DVD
    to me so that I can repeat the recording service to him. I am not
    interested in his recording at all so it looks to me to be legal.

    Also, I presume I can buy a recorded DVD for someone else or
    give it to someone else who the can give it back to me or give it
    to whoever he or she wants?

    divoch, Oct 29, 2007
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    G Hardy Guest

    Don't know. I expect you get to watch it once, then that's it. After that,
    it's a "kept" recording, which strictly speaking, you shouldn't be doing.

    Good luck in court! ;o)
    Seriously - your chance of being "caught" doing this is remote in the
    extreme. What you're doing is in the "fuzzy" area. Why, for example, is it
    any different to you going into his house and pressing {record} on his own
    recording equipment?

    There are definite no-go areas. For example, if he's watching the
    timeshifted broadcast on a laptop because he doesn't have a TV, then the TV
    licencing people would be all over him like a rash because for that purpose,
    he'd need to be licenced. They are ultra-tenacious, more so than FACT and

    Judges aren't stupid - if you buy something as a gift, and they gift it back
    to you a week later, then after a month you gift it to someone else, and
    they gift it back after a week - they'll say you can call it what you want,
    but it's still "lending".

    Again, there's little or no chance of being discovered, and even if it was
    you'd struggle to be caught by someone who gives a toss (with the exception
    of TV licensing, if it falls within their remit), so this is all pretty much
    G Hardy, Oct 30, 2007
  11. divoch

    G Hardy Guest

    Well, like I said in the other reply, there's a law against it but who would

    Take, for example "The Banana Splits". I've just downloaded it because it's
    not available at all, anywhere. If there was a DVD of the series available,
    I'd buy it, but the fact that it's not available means that the decision
    makers have worked out it's not a commercially viable product. That in turn
    reduces my liability if anyone works back from de-munging my email address,
    through my ISP and comes knocking on my door.
    G Hardy, Oct 30, 2007
  12. divoch

    G Hardy Guest

    That's wishful thinking when even the legitimately made productions do not
    (generally) distribute volume-related payments to the people actually
    present on the set. They just get a wage, and the "middle men" make the
    money. Mind you, they are the ones taking the risk...

    Occasionally, actors take a profit-related payment instead of or in addition
    to a salary. My favourite story, though, is of Jeff Wayne's musical version
    of "The War of the Worlds": The musicians were offered a 2% royalty share or
    a salary, but they had to vote and all go one way or the other. They went
    for salary. Anyway, 13 million sales later...

    chapter 7
    G Hardy, Oct 30, 2007
  13. divoch

    :Jerry: Guest

    Yes, the actual Copyright Act (Law) uses the word "reasonable", this
    is due to the fact that what is 'reasonable in one case might not be
    in another, for example if a wife of a North Sea diver "timeshifts" a
    recording so her husband can watch the last episode of a series it
    would be 'reasonable for that recording to be kept for a month or two
    but if someone timeshifts a programme because they were 'down the pub'
    that night it wouldn't be reasonable for that recording to be kept for
    more that a couple of days (also, AIUI, you should not allow the
    recording to be used by people not normally resident at the TVL
    licensed property either).
    :Jerry:, Nov 5, 2007
  14. divoch

    :Jerry: Guest

    How is that fair, what you are suggesting would mean that no
    commercial company would take the commercial risk in marketing such a
    recording because everyone would be making copies of a copy made at
    first TX (or what ever) when there would have been little chance of a
    commercial copy being available - The BBC were never going to release
    a series set of (for example) "Life on Mars" before they have
    broadcast the whole series as it would have affected the TX viewing
    :Jerry:, Nov 5, 2007
  15. divoch

    divoch Guest

    (also, AIUI, you should not allow the
    That does not sound very reasonable if it would mean that I could not
    do a recording for a friend who happens to be out at the time of
    the transmission and there is no one else who could do it for him
    at his household.
    divoch, Nov 6, 2007
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