Eclipsed by the 40D

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Doug Jewell, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. Doug Jewell

    Doug Jewell Guest

    Was given a loan of a 40D with a 24/2.8, 28-90/3.5-5.6 &
    17-40/4L for the weekend (still waiting for the GX10 to get
    back, 3 months now). What better way to enjoy a 4 degree
    morning (-2 with wind chill), and 35 knot winds than to go
    out and photograph an eclipse.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdaj/2770627348/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdaj/2769783033/
    Was having a few problems with motion blur due to the wind
    vibrating the tripod. If anyone can recommend a tripod that
    is good in these conditions I'd love to hear it.
     
    Doug Jewell, Aug 17, 2008
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  2. This post is off-topic for this newsgroup, rec.photo.equipment.35mm,
    which is concerned with film cameras that use 35mm film, not digital
    cameras that look like 35mm SLRs.

    Please use an appropriate newsgroup for postings on digital cameras. One
    of the following groups would be a good place for such postings:

    rec.photo.digital
    rec.photo.digital.point+shoot
    rec.photo.digital.rangefinder
    rec.photo.digital.slr
    rec.photo.digital.slr-system

    (note corrected newsgroup names)


    --
    "In 1964 Barry Goldwater declared: 'Elect me president, and I
    will bomb the cities of Vietnam, defoliate the jungles, herd the
    population into concentration camps and turn the country into a
    wasteland.' But Lyndon Johnson said: 'No! No! No! Don't you dare do
    that. Let ME do it.'"

    - Characterization (paraphrased) of the 1964 Goldwater/Johnson
    presidential race by Professor Irwin Corey, "The World's Foremost
    Authority".
     
    David Nebenzahl, Aug 17, 2008
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  3. Doug Jewell

    Pete D Guest

    Actually you stupid burke it is very appropriate as he asked about
    recomendations for tripods, perhaps you could recomend a tripod group, if
    not then pull your very stupid head in??
     
    Pete D, Aug 17, 2008
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  4. Doug Jewell

    D-Mac Guest

    Doug,
    Can you give me your opinion of the 40D compared to the Pentax please?
    I've been using a borrowed 40D myself but I have to give it back soon
    and buy my own camera.

    I don't think the Nikons (we use at the studio) are going to suit me all
    that well for a knock around camera. I use a Manfrotto tripod as heavy
    as all hell. It worked very well with the old RZ67 and although it's
    heavy, isn't all that bad if you have a wheel around kit.

    I've also got a light Manfrotto with a ball head. It struggles with a
    decent zoom on it but there is a model between the two I use than would
    be good for a Digital SLR. I wouldn't personally have any other brand.
     
    D-Mac, Aug 17, 2008
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  5. This post is off-topic for this newsgroup, rec.photo.equipment.35mm,
    which is concerned with film cameras that use 35mm film, not digital
    cameras that look like 35mm SLRs.

    Please use an appropriate newsgroup for postings on digital cameras. One
    of the following groups would be a good place for such postings:

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    rec.photo.digital.slr-system

    (note corrected newsgroup names)


    --
    "In 1964 Barry Goldwater declared: 'Elect me president, and I
    will bomb the cities of Vietnam, defoliate the jungles, herd the
    population into concentration camps and turn the country into a
    wasteland.' But Lyndon Johnson said: 'No! No! No! Don't you dare do
    that. Let ME do it.'"

    - Characterization (paraphrased) of the 1964 Goldwater/Johnson
    presidential race by Professor Irwin Corey, "The World's Foremost
    Authority".
     
    David Nebenzahl, Aug 17, 2008
    #5
  6. Doug Jewell

    Advocate54 Guest

    Goodbye David...I've quickly grown tired of your bull-shit.
     
    Advocate54, Aug 17, 2008
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  7. You are an idiot.
    No point beating around the bush and going into complete denial, just
    embrace it and accept it.
    After all he was asking about a tripod and its sturdiness or are tripods
    the domain of digital slr's?
    Also where is your charter for this newsgroup? I don't see film
    mentioned anywhere in the group name.
    Sorry the verdict is GUILTY.
     
    Usenet Judge and Jury, Aug 18, 2008
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  8. Doug Jewell

    Doug Jewell Guest

    Yeah no worries. I'll preface these comments by saying I
    have only had the 40D for one weekend, so I'm sure if I used
    it more I'd become more accustomed to it, and maybe I
    wouldn't think so poorly of it.

    Firstly, not really impressed by the glass - yeah I know 3
    lenses is a pretty small sample size, and they aren't
    Canon's best 3 anyway. The 24/2.8 is nice - I don't have a
    Pentax lens that directly compares with it. The 17-40/4L is
    ok, but I don't think it is quite as sharp at the wide end
    as my Pentax 18-35. The Canon's extra stop at the long (40
    is long? lol) end is a bit of an advantage though. It does
    seem quite decent at 40mm. As for the 28-90 - well it's a
    lens, and it let me have a bit of telephoto, that's about
    the only good thing to say about it. I know it's a cheap kit
    lens, but even my cheap kit Pentax 28-80 and 18-55 are far
    superior for image and build quality.

    As for operation a couple of observations.

    The 40D's 2 second timer doesn't do mirror lockup which is a
    pain - I normally use 2sec as a substitute for a cable
    release if I couldn't be bothered hooking it up. If I owned
    the 40D i'd be pissed about a) the price of a cable release
    and b) the fact that you can't use 2sec timer as a substitute.

    I don't like the user interface of the Canon as much as I
    like the Pentax/Samsung. The dials are in the wrong place
    for one-handed operation, the power switch is awkward, and
    the method of changing things like ISO by pressing one
    button then turning one or the other dial I found
    particularly awkward. Every time I went to change ISO I'd
    end up changing flash compensation instead, white balance
    and I'd change the metering method, turn on the timer and
    I'd change the focussing mode. I like the Pentax system
    where these controls are more intuitive. I also frigged
    around for ages trying to work out how to change the
    aperture in manual mode, before I discovered the power
    switch has 2 on positions, and the rear dial is disabled in
    first on position. Why they would do this I have no idea.
    Overall I found the 40D counter-intuitive, whereas the
    Pentax's I find to be intuitive. The stupidest design
    decision goes to changing the custom options. Options 1 to x
    are arranged horizontally at the bottom of the screen, with
    their values listed vertically in the middle of the screen.
    But it is up/down on the 4-way controller to change which
    function, then you move your thumb to the set button to tell
    it you want to change it, then up/down to change the value,
    then move to the set button again to change it. Should be
    left/right on the 4-way controller to select which function,
    then up/down to change it. As it is it's very
    counter-intuitive.

    I also miss the Pentax's Green mode (when in manual mode,
    one press and it sets the exposure it would use in P - great
    for quickly getting close to the right value - especially
    when the last person to use it had it set to 1/4000 @ F32).

    Another Pentax feature I missed is program shift - in P
    mode, turn one dial and you can step through the
    combinations of shutter/aperture that give the same
    exposure. On the Pentax I use Sv mode - the front dial
    changes ISO, and the rear dial changes program shift. With
    just 2 dials I can easily change the exposure
    characteristics of the camera. The lack of these modes made
    the Canon a bit more cumbersome to operate - I started using
    M mode to try to compensate.

    On the plus side for the Canon, I found the mode for
    expanded highlight range to be quite beneficial. Also I was
    surprised that I found live-view to be useful too! Although
    I don't know why some reviews say SLR live view will be good
    for astro-photography - I couldn't see any stars in the
    live-view screen at all. While on that - the viewfinder is
    much darker than I'm used to with Pentax. I can use my 18-35
    at 35mm (F5.6) and still be able to see medium brightness
    stars (southern cross for example) well enough to manual
    focus. With F4 at 40mm I could only see black in the
    viewfinder of the Canon. Even with the 24/2.8 I couldn't see
    them well enough to manual focus.

    As for auto-focus, the Canon is definitely much faster, but
    it seemed more prone to not getting focus than the Pentax. I
    was able to catch some shots of my kids that the Pentax
    wouldn't have been quick enough to do, but then shooting
    indoors in the evening became a manual focus affair - it
    just refused to lock focus. The pentax would be slow, but it
    would focus every time in this lighting. Worth noting that
    most of my Pentax lenses are slower than the Canon lenses
    I'm using too (the 28-90 is the same speed as my 28-80, but
    it's so aweful I've barely used it). I pulled out my MZ60
    just to make sure I wasn't imagining it, and yes, it would
    reliably focus in situations where the canon just gave up.

    On the image quality front, I can't really see anything to
    differentiate them, except for the expanded highlight range
    mode of the 40D. I took a few ISO 1600 shots, and I'm
    inclined to think the Pentax is cleaner, but not by enough
    to matter.

    Overall, I think the 40D is a decent camera, but I don't
    find it handles for me as nicely as Pentax cameras do.
    Considering it is more expensive, I'd be disappointed if I
    bought it, after seeing how the Pentax performs. Pentax
    just need to lift their game for focus speed, and improve
    their highlight handling, and they'd really have a Canon
    Killer on their hands.

    To my mind, I think the only reason for someone to go 40D
    instead of K10D would be for availability of specific
    lenses, or if they need killer AF performance. The Pentax
    offers a camera with equivalent image quality, in a package
    that handles better, at a lower price.

    I haven't used Nikons for more than about 30sec at a time so
    I can't say how they compare).
    The tripod I have is a no-namer. It's reasonably heavy, but
    there is quite a bit of flex in the legs, which is where my
    dramas were stemming from. I've had a look at some
    manfrottos, and while their heads are nice and solid, the
    ones I've seen have quite spindly legs, and seemed to have
    less overall sturdiness. When I bought my tripod (a bit
    under $100) I compared against a manfrotto that was 3 times
    the price. The manfrotto's head moved much smoother - if I
    was doing video it would have won hands down. Once
    everything was locked down though, the cheaper tripod was
    sturdier than the manfrotto.
    Maybe I should just use the custom tripod dad made for my
    telescope - weighs a bit over 50kg, but goes NOWHERE!
     
    Doug Jewell, Aug 18, 2008
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  9. Doug Jewell

    Annika1980 Guest

    Of course it does! I don't know where you got that idea.

    Probably what you're used to.


    How did the Pentax do at ISO 3200?
    Or 3200 ISO, or faster shooting speed, or faster shutter speed, or
    Live View, or a larger LCD, or .....
     
    Annika1980, Aug 18, 2008
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    This post is off-topic for this newsgroup, rec.photo.equipment.35mm,
    which is concerned with film cameras that use 35mm film, not digital
    cameras that look like 35mm SLRs.

    Please use an appropriate newsgroup for postings on digital cameras. One
    of the following groups would be a good place for such postings:

    rec.photo.digital
    rec.photo.digital.point+shoot
    rec.photo.digital.rangefinder
    rec.photo.digital.slr
    rec.photo.digital.slr-system

    (note corrected newsgroup names)


    --
    "In 1964 Barry Goldwater declared: 'Elect me president, and I
    will bomb the cities of Vietnam, defoliate the jungles, herd the
    population into concentration camps and turn the country into a
    wasteland.' But Lyndon Johnson said: 'No! No! No! Don't you dare do
    that. Let ME do it.'"

    - Characterization (paraphrased) of the 1964 Goldwater/Johnson
    presidential race by Professor Irwin Corey, "The World's Foremost
    Authority".
     
    David Nebenzahl, Aug 19, 2008
    #10
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