editing photos and given the run-around

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by john d hamilton, Oct 14, 2008.

  1. In an attempt to delete all my duplicate photos all over the place on my pc
    and external hard drive, I opened Picasa and went through all the folders
    listed deleting the endless copies.

    I wanted to create a 'backup' but was told it would need 2 dvds or 12 cds.
    since i only have cds (each 700mb capacity) and not enough of them i thought
    i would transfer to 'My Documents' on my pc and then go through all the
    photos once again deleting a lot of the not so good photos.

    For some reason only about a third of the photos have transferred to my
    documents from Picas, and when i went back to the Picasa library, all the
    duplicate folders have *returned* to the library list !

    Which is very annoying since there are years worth and literally hundreds of
    folders and i'm not happy to have to do it all again.

    Could anyone give advice to a novice on what best to do here please? My
    ultimate goal is to delete duplicates and then edit the number down and then
    transfer to cd or dvd for safekeeping. Keeping if possible the original
    number bytes of each photograph so I can do some detailed editing in the
    future. Many thanks for any advice.
     
    john d hamilton, Oct 14, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    On the backup question...Rather than backing up on CDs, I'd suggest
    purchasing an external hard drive. You can buy an external hard drive
    with 130GB of storage for as little as $60.00. I recently purchased
    a Seagate 500GB for about $100.00. It's far easier to backup your
    files on a hard drive than by burning CDs. It's an automatic process
    on some, and something that can be done while doing other things on
    the computer with any of them. The backups are easier to access, too,
    compared to finding the right CD.

    I don't use Picasa (tried it, hate it), so I don't know how to answer
    any questions about Picasa. Damn program seems to take over
    everything.
     
    tony cooper, Oct 14, 2008
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    Xiaoding Guest

    External harddrives are dodgy...I got one, but don't depend on it.
    what do you do when it won't turn on, or gives you a "disk not found "
    error? It happens. 12 CD's are not that bad, you can knock that out
    in no time. Then make a second set.
     
    Xiaoding, Oct 14, 2008
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    thanatoid Guest

    <SNIP>

    You have to have the right software (Google is in the business
    of destroying the Usenet, creating their own [WWG?], and keeping
    complete personal records on everyone alive, so their software
    offerings are problematic for those and a variety of other
    reasons).

    You also need to get ORGANIZED. Most software available today
    (/like/ Picasa) is for people who have been too dumbed-down by
    MS to be able to think and organize their stuff.

    You need a good image viewer. Everyone recommends IrfanView so I
    will as well. I don't use it, but it's very good and very free.

    There is an app called ThumbsPlus, I use an OLD version, 3.30.
    It does everything I need and is 4MB. The latest version is
    about 18MB. Take your pick. It costs a little but it's very good
    except for the horrid icons (which MAY have been changed in the
    later versions, I don't know. I changed the icons in my version
    because I could NOT look at them.)

    http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=tp

    Also, get a duplicate image finder, put ALL your photos into a
    huge directory with subdirectories (which will be ALL your
    current image directories), and run Unique Filer or some similar
    program on it. I've tried about 5 dupe finders and UF is the
    best. It also works on non-image files.

    (You may know directories as "folders".)

    http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/File-Management/Unique-
    Filer.shtml

    There /are/ other ways of accomplishing this, like with a real
    file manager which searches for duplicates using selectable
    options. I use the one from www.ghisler.com which runs 100%
    forever in demo version but is well worth the price.

    (BTW, Earthlink is owned by Scientologists. FYI.)
     
    thanatoid, Oct 14, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    They are? Like most computer stuff, if they work out of the box they
    generally continue to work.
    The same thing you do when your CD won't read. Punt.
    You must have something faster than Nero and my burner. Twenty-four
    CDs is an afternoon's aggravation. The worst part is that if you
    modify an image by as much as cropping, the new image and the old
    image are on separate CDs unless you burn the entire file over again.
     
    tony cooper, Oct 14, 2008
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    ray Guest

    My photo collection is rather modest compared to some, but I've never
    found it necessary to resort to 'photo management software' - I keep mine
    in order by using a directory structure to represent months and years.
    There would, of course, be several other practical ways to organize your
    photos. I keep all my photos - which I usually shoot in RAW - my wife does
    jpegs on her older smaller P&S. I read the photos into my desktop and my
    laptop compter and then make a backup copy on an external USB hard drive
    (they are quite reasonable now) and then from time to time make a backup
    to DVD - DVD writers are also pretty inexpensive now. Needless to say, I
    have never lost a photo.
     
    ray, Oct 14, 2008
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    Dimond Geeza Guest

    2 dvds or 12 cds..........or 1 blu ray
     
    Dimond Geeza, Oct 14, 2008
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  8. print them onto special shiny paper(some people call them photographs) then
    keep them in a big book where you can look at them without the need of a
    computer.
     
    [email protected], Oct 14, 2008
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  9. And put them in a sage deposit box? Overkill.

    In years of external hard drives, I've had one of about 25 fail and it
    was 7 years old.
     
    Oliver Costich, Oct 14, 2008
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    thanatoid Guest

    Can we quote you on that? How long have you been using
    computers, anyway?

    I forgot to address the "external drive" issue. Hard drives
    fail, internal, external, IDE, SCSI, SATA, RAID's, Western
    Digital or Maxtor. Sooner or later, but pretty much guaranteed
    to crap out.

    OTOH, a good brand CD/DVD-R burned with GOOD software at a SLOW
    speed will outlast you. It may not last 100 years, and no one
    alive today will ever know if it does, but it will outlast most
    of us.
    The only CD's which "don't read" are the ones some moron's
    burned with some bundled crapware at 40x or 52x using Princo or
    something. Sorry if you're one of those, but that's the truth.

    Much better off spending the same amt. of time burning at a slow
    speed. What's the damn hurry, anyway? And you NEVER look at any
    of that stuff again anyway, admit it.
    I admire the patience (or is that stupidity?) of any Nero user.
    The two weeks I spent with it count among the most annoying
    computer experiences I've had. At least it burns OK discs, but
    having to go through 20 stupid screens and dialogs designed by
    obvious morons just to burn a disc is just insane. And who needs
    25MB of crap bloatware when a 1MB program does it better and
    faster?
    Life is hard and then you die.
     
    thanatoid, Oct 14, 2008
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    thanatoid Guest

    How nice to see some people with intelligence still exist in
    this "idiot box 2" century.
    Good for you.

    "Folders are to make paper airplanes out of."
    - thanatoid
     
    thanatoid, Oct 14, 2008
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    thanatoid Guest

    You're just lucky. In over 15 years of computing, I've had about
    35% failure rate.
    I may be just extremely /un/lucky, but totally depending on a HD
    is just stupid.
     
    thanatoid, Oct 14, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    The first computer I purchased was a Archives CP/M with two diskette
    drives and no internal drive. The VisiCalc or WordStar diskette in
    one side, and the data diskette on the other. Archives units were
    made by a division of International Harvester, I think.

    Then I put the company on a DEC mainframe. That was a problem system
    from the get-go, but primarily because I ordered custom software and
    it never did work right. A few years later I switched the company
    over to an IBM system with a modified stock software package. Better,
    but very expensive and with limitations in software capability.

    Just before I sold the business, I bought an IBM System 10 desktop to
    bring home. Down to 5 1/4" diskettes, Word Perfect, and Lotus 1-2-3.

    When Windows 98 came out, I junked the IBM and bought a scratch-built
    system from a local computer store. Still used diskettes, but had an
    Iomega external storage drive.

    I'm still using scratch-builts (I don't put them together myself,
    though) but I'm on Windows XP Media now with a Seagate external drive
    for backup. I burn DVDs about every three months as added backup.

    In my history of computer use, I've never had a drive go bad on me. I
    had one computer go bad (motherboard), but I salvaged all the data.
    Except for that, all changes have been upgrades. I have had some
    problems with CDs and DVDs (some files damaged), but that was probably
    due to my handling and not a product fault.
    You pull off smug superiority very well, but you're the one having the
    problems. Not me. Backing up on an external drive, burning an
    immediate DVD of a really important set of images or data, and burning
    DVDs every three months or so works fine for me.

    The only time I can recall losing images is when I've mistakenly saved
    instead of saved-as doing something in Photoshop. Sometimes I've
    wanted that original back.

    You represent a type often seen in newsgroups and forums (they were on
    the BBS's too) on photography and computers. The guy who thinks he's
    the only one who knows what he is doing, that thinks that the brand
    he's using is the only brand that anyone should use, that thinks that
    he's impressing people with his windbag expertise, and that thinks
    that other people are "stupid", "morons", or "idiots" because they
    don't do what he does. Yet, a type that seldom has a useful
    suggestion or realistic solution to a problem. All brag, no action.

    In another post you refer to the thirty-some percent failure rate
    you've experienced with equipment. I've had one equipment failure,
    and that was longer ago than you *started* using computers. And
    you're the expert with the good advice?

    In case the OP is reading, I still recommend an external hard drive
    for backup. It's fast, simple, cheap, and dependable. Additional
    backup via CD or DVD may be in order if you are really concerned.
     
    tony cooper, Oct 15, 2008
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    I do much the same except that my directory structure is based on
    subject.

    As for never losing a photograph, there was the day that our ancient
    cat sat on the corner of the keyboard and simultaneously hit the <del>
    and <enter> keys. The computer went D-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-ing! and in
    less than a second some 3000 photographs had vanished.

    When my heart had settled down, I went to my 500Gb external hard drive
    and copied back all the missing directories. Thank heavens for 'Second
    Copy'. See http://www.centered.com/



    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Oct 15, 2008
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    thanatoid Guest

    Now THAT'S funny!
    And if you're REALLY cursed, they will both/all fail at the same
    time. People who have /really/ important data (although having
    read many "corporate data loss" news stories I sometimes wonder
    what it takes for data to be considered REALLY important) also
    use high-capacity digital tape drives. Tape has been around for
    MUCH longer than disc-burning technology and has /proven/ to be
    very dependable. It is, unfortunately, rather expensive for the
    home user. Therefore, discs.
     
    thanatoid, Oct 15, 2008
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    thanatoid Guest

    Top-posted intro: Nicely written! But was it worth the time?
    I was too poor to buy a computer until 1997, but I took an
    "evening computer course" in 1987 IIRC. It was with the IBM PC,
    as you know also with 2 5¼ drives and no HD. My greatest
    achievement was programming the thing to draw a circle. Not
    much, I know, but it was one of my few moments of triumph over
    reality.

    Aha. Somehow that got left out of your original reply.
    WHY do you bother with DVD's, since you claim HD's practically
    NEVER fail?
    Excuse, strike "practically", "NEVER".
    I /said/, good media, good software, and slow speed. I did not
    mention verifying but that's a given.

    Aside from having burned some coasters when I was new to this
    and trying crapware, I have never had a bad disc burn, and I
    have over 300. I know that's nothing compared to some, but it's
    more than a lot of people.

    [I know someone who bought a DVD drive about 3 years ago and has
    NEVER burned a DVD (and MAYBE 3 CD's) on it. To add injury to
    insult, he won't sell it to me - and it's one of the ones that
    do DVD-RAM.]
    Thank you. I didn't realize being an overweight failure in life
    who kills his time posting to the Usenet and thinking that /may
    be/ the ONE and only way he /may/ manage (caveat emptor) to
    contribute anything to anyone else's well-being was "smug
    superiority".
    WHERE did I say I was having the problems? The drives died but I
    had backups of anything that mattered. And I was able to recover
    what wasn't backed up using DR software. But I can tell you for
    sure I am not going through THAT again. That's why I now put
    everything of any importance on CD-R's.
    Of course, that should work for everyone - unless your external
    drive craps out the next day after your back up. WHICH SOMEDAY
    IT MAY, regardless of your astonishing luck so far.
    I think making a lossless copy of anything of any importance
    before you start messing with it is not a bad idea sometimes.
    But what do I know, right?
    You've simply described a typical male - perhaps yourself?
    Nonetheless, I agree, photographers/film types especially can be
    extremely annoying. Even when they can't even understand what a
    t-stop is (T, not F). The average computer geek is rather well-
    known for his/her social skills and pleasant and helpful
    personality, so I'll leave it at that.

    I, OTOH, should have never been born, am laden with an
    assortment of personality problems, and have failed at
    EVERYTHING since I was about 25, which was 28 years ago. How's
    that for "impressing people"?

    Still, I /do/ happen to know some things which, surprisingly or
    not, many people don't. I occasionally share that knowledge with
    people on NG's because, having no life whatsoever, I have
    nothing better to do. When I am proven to be wrong, I admit it
    and thank the corrector. When someone helps me - I often ask for
    help myself - I always thank them. And BION, I have been thanked
    a few times as well. Feel free to GG for my posting history here
    and in some other groups, since you seem to have a lot of time.

    As for you saying that the only reason anyone would call someone
    else "stupid" (etc.) is because they don't agree with them, I
    would look at yourself and think a little about that statement.
    No, I'm just cursed and you're very very lucky. Luck runs out.
    Misery doesn't.
     
    thanatoid, Oct 15, 2008
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    Charlie Groh Guest

    ....I'm with you, Ray, although my collection is getting rather large.
    I've got 4 USB drives, ranging from 250 gigs to a newer terabyte and
    am thinking to initiate a RAID structure, but for now I manually
    back-up. Been using DVD's for a few years but am pretty ready to
    invest in Bluray...50 gigs per disc is hard to ignore, how *clean*!

    I tried Picassa a long time ago and dumped it within a few days...like
    the first replier said, it tried to take over *everything*! Now, I
    just dump my cards into dated folders right out of the reader...the
    card shows in My Computer and you're off and running.

    cg
     
    Charlie Groh, Oct 15, 2008
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    Charlie Groh Guest

    ....I should have added that I have an Epsom p-3000 that I copy my
    cards into right after a shoot...THEN dump the pics into my "photo"
    computer from the card...these things are very handy, especially in
    the field... when it (the Epsom) gets stretched for room, I dump the
    whole thing into one of the USB drives and from there copy to disc
    when I get some time...
    cg
     
    Charlie Groh, Oct 15, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    My original reply was to the OP. It was a suggestion that he purchase
    an external hard drive to use as a convenient, easy, fast, and safe
    method for back-up for his files. I offered a suggestion for him to
    consider. He already knew about using CDs or DVDs for this purpose.
    I did not claim that HDs never fail. I stated that I have never had
    one of mine fail.
    That's right, never.
    I would say that having over a third of the drives you bought was
    having problems. You may have recovered the data, but you had to
    replace the drives.
    Yeah, well, since I live in Central Florida I'm more concerned about a
    hurricane blowing away my house than I am about drive failure. Each
    of the last hurricanes have done damage to me, but the drives soldier
    on.
    Absolutely correct. And I do. When I think. Sometimes I screw up.
    Look at the thread. Which is me, and which is you?
    I extend you the same invitation. I don't call people stupid. I may
    prove them stupid by rebuttal, but I don't need to go ad hominem to do
    so. And, I do have a lot of time. I'm retired.
     
    tony cooper, Oct 15, 2008
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    Tony in Oz Guest

    I tend to agree. I lost a heap of photos that were backed up on an
    external HD, when it was accidently dropped from a footstool onto a carpeted
    floor while reading from it. Yes, stupid place to put it, specially with
    kids running around, but if a CD or DVD dropped from thete, I would still
    have my pictures. Statistically, because of its nature, 100% of HD s WILL
    fail at some point in time. Cheers
     
    Tony in Oz, Oct 15, 2008
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