End of an Era

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by jeremy, Dec 21, 2006.

  1. Lets put it this way.....I am the only person who is completely familiar
    with my own inadequacies and abilities. I have been driving for hundreds of
    thousands of miles, over a 50+ year period, and have never had an accident.
    There is a reason for this.....I don't overdrive my abilities, and only I
    can know exactly what those are. I am approaching a stage in my life where
    driving anywhere at night, even at a very slow speed is going to be
    impossible, so I would like to see some improvement in the road
    lighting....Apparently you guys don't agree.....Which is your right.....But
    don't tell me that I am driving dangerously......Only I can know that, and I
    don't drive dangerously. - Never have, and I never will......
     
    William Graham, Jan 6, 2007
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  2. I certainly don't mind modifying the Constitution....The method for doing
    this is outlined in the document itself....What I object to is redefining
    the English language in order to make the document mean something that its
    drafters never meant for it to mean, and thereby usurping the method
    outlined in the document for modification.
     
    William Graham, Jan 6, 2007
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  3. This could be true, but there are some circumstances where this may not be
    true.....If your only means of transportation is by plane, and you have to
    transport yourself in order to live, or remain a functioning part of the
    society, you might have the constitutional right to avoid such a search. -
    It's sort of similar to the argument that the automobile is the normal,
    accepted way of transporting oneself from state to state, and, since travel
    between states is by constitutional law, not requiring of any license or
    passport, the drivers license is therefore an illegal, unconstitutional
    document. This has been successfully argued in the courts. incidentally.
    By the same token, if ones only means of transport is by airplane, then
    one should be allowed to fly without having ones 4th amendment rights
    violated.......
     
    William Graham, Jan 6, 2007
  4. Yeah. And it's only words, anyway. America isn't strong because of
    the Constitution. It's strong because of abundant resources. Cheap
    labour (often from people the Constitution didn't seem to apply to)
    helped too.
     
    Laurence Payne, Jan 6, 2007
  5. You're very big on convenience of the individual, aren't you? Wait
    until a madman starts running round YOUR town. Road-blocks and
    blanket searches will suddenly sound like a VERY good idea.
     
    Laurence Payne, Jan 6, 2007
  6. But we're learning fast :)
     
    Laurence Payne, Jan 6, 2007
  7. While I have an opinion on that question which hinges on such
    things as responsibility, duty, and sovereignty, it's not the
    question I was answering. I was challenging the assertion that
    the framers of the U.S. Constitution succeeded to a great
    extent in guarding against governments restricting freedoms.

    They were imperfect men who created an imperfect document.
    They did recognize this and built in an amendment process, but
    also built in a clause which effectively negated all of those
    rights in case of rebellion or invasion. They then proceeded
    to ignore those freedoms immediately at the State level, and
    with a decade at the Federal level.

    I'd argue that the second best safeguard against government
    abuse in the U.S. system isn't found in the Constitution. It
    was invented by John Marshall in the dicta of a petty little
    political patronage case, a case he should have recused himself
    from hearing at all. Such are the accidents of history.
     
    Michael Benveniste, Jan 6, 2007
  8. Well, I'm just quoting cases that I've heard about, or read about.....I
    don't necessarily agree with all the decisions. Also, what makes you think
    that there are no madmen "running around my town"? Believe me, we have our
    share of madmen.......
     
    William Graham, Jan 7, 2007
  9. Well considering how many people suffer sheeple mentality, I'd say they
    care more for the 5 letters emblazoned on the front cap than the glass
    quality. I know people who would buy anything with C A N O N on it,
    even if it just came out of a dog's butt. But I also know several
    working professionals who happily use 3rd party lenses. I know several
    who use Tamron 90mm macros and swear by them. One who does a lot of
    wildlife work uses the Tamron 200-500, because the overall combination
    of size, weight, zoom range and optic quality is better than anything
    with the C word on it.
    Many 3rd party lenses are just as good or better than the oem lenses.
    Even in the budget category, the Sigma budget offerings that get used as
    Pentax kit lenses here in Australia, blow the pants off the Canon, Sony
    & Nikon equivalents. Move up the scale a bit to the mid end, and once
    again the Sigma, Tamron and Tokina offerings hold their own against many
    name-brand lenses that are much more expensive. Tokina's ATX-PRO series
    lenses are excellent. Sigma's red-ring series and most Tamron lenses are
    likewise of excellent quality.
    Perhaps as an exercise you should check the specs of some oem-branded
    and 3rd party lenses - for example the sony 18-200 and sigma 18-200 come
    out as being practically identical except for the finish and price tag -
    right down to the weight in grams. Coincidence? maybe. More likely
    though that they are identical designs, and possibly even made in the
    same factory. Certainly after giving them a bit of a run (admittedly not
    a thorough test, but comparing shots taken one after the other of real
    world subjects), I couldn't tell any difference in optic quality at all.
    Are you seriously saying you'd opt for Canon's kit 18-55 & 75-300 over a
    Tokina ATX-Pro?
     
    Graham Fountain, Jan 7, 2007
  10. Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving
    handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot
    him? What on earth are you talking about?
     
    Laurence Payne, Jan 7, 2007
  11. Too hot. The nearer to the equator, the less gets done.

    And no huge advantage of starting from scratch only a few hundred
    years ago with vigorous immigrant stock. Some of whom, remember,
    immediately formed communities dedicated to severely restricting
    everyone's individual freedoms on religious grounds.

    But not, I'm afraid, the lack of a Constitution.
     
    Laurence Payne, Jan 7, 2007
  12. jeremy

    Bill Funk Guest

    And many, by doing so, would also be walking away from a job.

    Blanket searches are done all the time; stationary traffic radar
    searches each vehicle to see if the driver is speeding. DUI
    checkpoints search each vehicle for drivers driving impaired. Just two
    examples that have been upheld by courts.

    --
    The Coney Island Polar Bear
    Club hosted its annual New
    Year's Day swim in the frigid
    waters off New York City Monday.
    It wasn't completely successful.
    Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
    came out of the water just as
    drunk as when they went in.
     
    Bill Funk, Jan 7, 2007
  13. jeremy

    Bill Funk Guest

    If you're a US citizen, I sincerely hope you don't vote.

    --
    The Coney Island Polar Bear
    Club hosted its annual New
    Year's Day swim in the frigid
    waters off New York City Monday.
    It wasn't completely successful.
    Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
    came out of the water just as
    drunk as when they went in.
     
    Bill Funk, Jan 7, 2007
  14. jeremy

    Bill Funk Guest

    You're right, that should have been "wouldn't."
    I hate it whan that happens.

    --
    The Coney Island Polar Bear
    Club hosted its annual New
    Year's Day swim in the frigid
    waters off New York City Monday.
    It wasn't completely successful.
    Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
    came out of the water just as
    drunk as when they went in.
     
    Bill Funk, Jan 7, 2007
  15. jeremy

    Bill Funk Guest

    Gee, I'm sorry.
    You seemed to have some knowledge of the cited event.
    Obviously, I was wrong.

    --
    The Coney Island Polar Bear
    Club hosted its annual New
    Year's Day swim in the frigid
    waters off New York City Monday.
    It wasn't completely successful.
    Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
    came out of the water just as
    drunk as when they went in.
     
    Bill Funk, Jan 7, 2007
  16. jeremy

    Bill Funk Guest

    Are you planning on taking on the Triad all by yourself?

    --
    The Coney Island Polar Bear
    Club hosted its annual New
    Year's Day swim in the frigid
    waters off New York City Monday.
    It wasn't completely successful.
    Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
    came out of the water just as
    drunk as when they went in.
     
    Bill Funk, Jan 7, 2007
  17. jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    Mostly water.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 7, 2007
  18. jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    The design of the still for which I have drawings has a "high" temp
    condensor at the bottom to condense out water and methanol, and a
    separate condensor at the top, separated, to condense out the ethanol.
    A thermostat in the top section controls the water flow rate to keep the
    upper chamber at the ethanol condensing temperature.

    http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/
    (note: some statments on the site are a bit whacky).

    Basically the cold coil water comes in the top section and is coiled
    somewhat tightly so the upper section is cooler. That water, now warmed
    up a little is then circulated to the bottom section coils in a less
    dense configuration. There are also glass marbles in the lower section
    to stabilize the temperature there and to provide a lot of surface area
    for condensation.

    The ethanol remains in gas state in the lower section as it is too hot
    for ethanol to condense. It's too cool for water vapour and methanol in
    the lower section, it condenses on the coils and marbles... the ethanol
    vapour rises throgh a small opening into the cool upper chamber. (very
    small amounts of condensed ethanol might fall back into the lower
    chamber, but evaporate and make their way up top again. Most of the
    ethanol is trapped there and let out into the ethanol container.

    A small amount of water vapour does make its way into the upper chamber
    and of course, being quite cooler than the lower chamber it condenses
    there and is mixed with the ethanol.

    Per the website where I got the plans, the ethanol output can be as good
    as 90%. (180 proof).

    Methanol (and other poisons) can be separated at the bottom water
    leveler and then used as part of the evaporator (boiler) fuel to cook
    the mash. Methanol is not good for auto engines, even flex-fuel
    engines. It is also what makes moonshine dangerous. Moonshiners make
    ethanol and when they screw up, they make methanol.
    Yep.

    I haven't built this thing yet although a plumber friend will do all the
    copper soldering for me to make sure that it is as well made as
    possible. The problem is that it is painful to licence in Canada for
    the purpose of homemade fuel making as the government assumes you're a
    moonshiner. Just having the still is an offence without a licence and a
    government locked ethanol collector. Reasoning with these people is a
    waste of time.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 7, 2007
  19. jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    It will run a car with 15% water, but the mixture of water and ethanol
    is corrosive due to the oxygen disolved in the water. That's why as
    much water as possible needs to be removed.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 7, 2007
  20. jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    Most of those are trapped in the lower section and extracted. The
    ethanol stage is better than 99% ethanol + water.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 7, 2007
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