End of an Era

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by jeremy, Dec 21, 2006.

  1. jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    I believe I've sent you this link before Bill:

    The drawings and build instructions were about $30.

    You will need and ATF licence but that doesn't cost much and in the US
    they assume that if you get a licence for a stated purpose (fuel) that
    that's what it's for. Here in Canada you are assumed to be evilly
    making moonshine.

    Alan Browne, Jan 7, 2007
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  2. jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest


    Will tell you. A few batches on a given day will keep you running for a
    couple weeks. You will need a flex-fuel car (E85) and don't forget to
    add the gasoline to the mix (15% (by volume I believe)).

    At this scale it is a batch process. If you do it right you use waste
    heat from batch 1 to pre-heat batch 2 (post fermented batches), and
    waste heat from batch 2 to pre-heat batch 3 and so on. A 40 gallon
    "batch" of fermented mash will take about 1 - 2 hours to process and
    produce about 4 - 5 gallons of ethanol. YMMV as it depends on what the
    mash source is and how well it fermented. The "waste" mash can be fed
    to pigs or cattle; possibly used as a fertilizer.

    As a feedstock for the mash find local breweries/wineries and take away
    their "leavings" and bad batches of beer/wine. This will need little or
    no fermenting.

    Farmers molasses (that hasn't had the sugar removed)
    Rotten, spoiled, wasted fruit and "sweet" veggies (local markets,
    restaurants, etc.)
    (Corn, carrots, and other high sugar veggies).
    You'll need yeasts to start the fermenting too...

    Alan Browne, Jan 7, 2007
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  3. jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    A batch of fermeted mash is typically 10 - 15% ethanol. And you get
    pretty much all of it out. More mash, more ethanol.

    Alan Browne, Jan 7, 2007
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    Laurence Payne, Jan 7, 2007
  5. Thanks for the compliment! But judge me against your best, not
    against some of the people we're meeting here.
    Laurence Payne, Jan 7, 2007
  6. LUDICROUS! One can STILL walk, ride a horse, ride a bicycle,
    I can cite several of them, but should send them to you as a pdf file
    attachment.......Is your email able to accept such things? - I will try, in
    any case.....
    William Graham, Jan 8, 2007
  7. Yes....When the feds show up to confiscate your house, you blow several of
    them away first.....It might not help you any, but the next guy gets a big
    day in court first.......
    William Graham, Jan 8, 2007
  8. Radar doesn't "search" the vehicle.....Measuring its speed externally is a
    different thing. And checkpoints where all the drivers are checked for
    alcohol possession, or blood level are still frequently thrown out by the
    courts.....Like most unconstitutional things, they do them anyway, and make
    the injured party fight it to a high enough court before he wins....In the
    meantime, he goes broke, so it usually isn't worth it, and that's how people
    lose their constitutional rights.....Petty ass local municipal courts do
    things like this all the time.......
    William Graham, Jan 8, 2007
  9. Thanks for the link.....I use ethanol to clean my trumpets with. (I can use
    propanol, but the smell of it makes me sick) Down in California, I couldn't
    buy ethanol in a drug store, so I bought some from a supplier in the bay
    area....It was $40 a gallon, and 1/2 of that was the federal taxes......I
    had to buy 4 gallons minimum, so I found 3 guys who wanted to go in with me,
    and we each bought a gallon.....Of course, a gallon of ethanol is enough to
    clean a trumpet for life, so I still have over 1/2 gallon left over, and
    that was about 20 years ago. Now, I notice that I can buy a pint of 70%
    ethanol from our local Rite Aid Drug store here in Salem, Oregon.......
    William Graham, Jan 8, 2007
  10. Is being considered "far superior" to an American only FAINT praise?

    THAT'S what you use all those guns for! Foot-shooting!
    Laurence Payne, Jan 8, 2007
  11. Here in the UK, it is (or maybe was) considered unacceptable for
    police to check drivers leaving a pub car park unless they were
    visibly committing an offence. You don't need a constitution in order
    to make silly rules.
    Laurence Payne, Jan 8, 2007
  12. Reminds me of a story my dad told me....He said there was a distillery in
    his home town of Bristol, Tennessee when he was a kid. (Back around 1900)
    Every afternoon, they would open up the big valve, and let the used sour
    mash flow out to the trough for the pigs they kept behind their place. My
    dad would go down and sit on the fence and watch.....He said that for the
    first ten minutes or so, not one drop of the mash would make it to the
    trough....the pigs would be jammed up against the end of the pipe, drinking
    so fast that the trough would remain dry....Then, after about 10 minutes, a
    small trickle would get to the trough for the pigs that were waiting
    there......It was the best show in town.........
    William Graham, Jan 8, 2007
  13. Yeah, but the heavier the vehicle the safer, and so everyone goes for the
    heaviest they can get and/or afford....Soon the streets are full of tanks
    that weigh 10,000 pounds each, with their occupants glaring out or their
    little armored windows at each other.....Wouldn't it be better if they all
    went for the lightest vehicle they could find? - Then we wouldn't be paying
    to haul all that scrap iron around with us all the time......I guess the
    only way to reach that level of sophistication is for the price of the fuel
    to go through the roof, so nobody can afford to drive the tank.......
    William Graham, Jan 8, 2007
  14. Yeah, but not in the Land Of The Free. Everyone ELSE could drive a
    lightweight, which would leave ME all the more impregnable in my tank.
    Social responsibility? Nah! I can AFFORD it, didn't you hear me?
    Laurence Payne, Jan 8, 2007
  15. What did he get?

    Is this like the "jaywalking" offence? Here, we have the freedom to
    walk into traffic at will. Luckily we have socialised medical care
    too :) (Just. Well, it's excellent for things like road accidents.)
    Laurence Payne, Jan 8, 2007
  16. I forget now exactly, but it was a fine ......It's all really about
    It varies here....They will be lax about it for several years, and then they
    will have a "crackdown" where they give out lots of jaywalking
    tickets.....then the fervor will die off, and they will become lax
    They do much the same thing with seatbelts.....
    William Graham, Jan 8, 2007
  17. Just so you know, it's water. Water and ethanol form what's known as an
    "azeotrope" when the mash (no matter what kind--grain, cornstalks,
    whatever) is distilled. To make absolute ethanol (100% ethanol, _NOT_
    the same as Absolut vodka), other processes not involving distillation
    are used to remove the water.
    Pat O'Connell, Jan 8, 2007
  18. jeremy

    Bill Funk Guest

    There will still be those who will drive a smaller car. It's human
    And, even if everyone suddenly discovered that smaller cars got better
    mileage, and then suddenly no one needed larger vehicles (through some
    feat of magic), how do we shrink trucks down to under 3000 pounds?

    The reality is, even if the CAFE standard were raised to 40mpg, larger
    passenger vehicles would still be needed; a fact that eludes some.

    Hillary Clinton was sworn
    into the Senate Thursday
    with her hand on a Bible
    which was held by her husband
    Bill. You could see it was
    an old dog-eared family Bible.
    It still has the yellow
    highlighting on the passages
    that say oral sex is not adultery.
    Bill Funk, Jan 8, 2007
  19. I don't know, but it has, "Do not take internally" written all over
    it.....The gallon tin that I bought in California thirty years or so ago,
    was as pure as you can get, and could be drunk if you were into that sort of
    thing......It's what the submarine sailors used to call "everclear"....They
    used it for torpedo fuel......Not too bad if you cut it 50-50 with orange
    William Graham, Jan 8, 2007
  20. Terribly sorry. No insult intended.
    Laurence Payne, Jan 8, 2007
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