Enlargers revisited.

Discussion in 'Photography' started by D.R., Jun 21, 2004.

  1. D.R.

    D.R. Guest

    I have seen one of these extremely cheap. Wondering if its worth
    This enlarger is really cheap. What kind of lens would this take? How
    can I
    tell if a certain lens will fit? I see Nikkor lenses for sale
    regularly.

    I have opportunity to buy one that is quite old, or bid for one that
    was purchased
    but never assembled.....

    D.R.
     
    D.R., Jun 21, 2004
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  2. D.R.

    dadiOH Guest

    Anything you care to put on it.
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    How does the existing lens mount? Many enlargers use a 4x4 mounting board,
    lenses just fit into the hole and are secured with a mounting ring.

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  3. D.R.

    D.R. Guest

    Hi DadiOH

    I am not sure. I didn't notice. I managed to pull out the
    neg holder, and thats about it. I think the model is Meopta
    Opemus 4x4. Does the 4x4 mean that the lens is a generic
    4x4 mount?

    D.R.
     
    D.R., Jun 21, 2004
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    Gary Edstrom Guest

    For some reason, when I read the subject line of this message, I am
    reminded of certain spam email that I am constantly receiving! :)
     
    Gary Edstrom, Jun 21, 2004
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  5. D.R.

    D.R. Guest

    LOL. I typed enlarger into an online auction site,
    and it came up with some devices as seen of Austin
    Powers - the first movie. ;-)
     
    D.R., Jun 21, 2004
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    dadiOH Guest

    No, the "4x4" isn't what it says...it says "_negatives_ of size 6x6 and
    smaller"
    which means that the enlarger will handle negatives 6cm x 6 cm (2 1/4 x 2
    1/4) and smaller.

    The lens appears to be on a square board but I can't tell for sure. Lens
    boards were frequently 4" x 4" but I have no idea what the size of this
    particular one is. Or even if the board is removeable so other lenses can
    be mounted. Most were changeable though. However, if the lens is decent
    there would be no reason to change it unless you wanted a shorter lens so
    you could get a greater degree of enlargement (since it does 6x6 negs the
    existing lens is 75mm or a bit longer).
     
    dadiOH, Jun 21, 2004
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  7. I think you'll find lost of darkroom equiment for sale, and sometimes given
    away. The use of darkroom processing is disappearing, even with the pros.
    See the story at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/19/nyregion/19lab.html.
     
    Marvin Margoshes, Jun 21, 2004
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  8. D.R.

    D.R. Guest

    http://www.meopta.cz/history/products/history.phtml?products=enlargers

    Scroll down to Opemus 4x4 model.

    The url says: "Opemus 4x4 - Enlarging apparatus for
    the enlarging from negatives 4x4 and smaller"...

    Now I am confused. What is a 4cmx4cm negative?
    35mm=3.5cm < 4cm, but what about the width of
    the 35mm neg? This is for 35mm?

    Again, according the the url, it says 55mm lens.
    I'm lost now.... or are you describing your 6x6
    enlarger?

    <imagine a confused smiley face icon here>
    D.R.
     
    D.R., Jun 21, 2004
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  9. D.R.

    D.R. Guest

    Thanks for the link. This is great for buyers, bad quite
    sad really too.

    ** "After 17 years, the Latent Image Workshop Inc., with
    ** its 23 rent-by-the-hour darkrooms, will close its doors
    ** by the end of the month. Other rental workshops are
    ** losing business or scrambling to upgrade their digital
    ** services to survive."

    Dang. I only just discovered a great rent-by-the-hour
    darkroom.

    ** "Professionals and amateurs alike once swarmed to the
    ** workshop, on the fourth floor of 135 West 26th Street.
    ** Open 11 hours a day every day, it rented 12 color and
    ** 11 black-and-white darkrooms for $10 to $11 per hour."

    They are charging too much. My local photography school
    rents darkrooms for NZ$10 (US$6) an hour, chemicals
    included. Even have a machine to develop the prints, and
    a cool dryer. Means you spend more time productive.

    D.R.
     
    D.R., Jun 21, 2004
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  10. D.R.

    D.R. Guest


    Have seen another for sale:

    "Opemus 4 - Enlarging apparatus for enlarging from negatives
    6x6 and smaller:

    Lens: Anaret 4.5/80.
    Condenser: two-lens of 105 mm diameter.
    Lamp: opal of max. 105 W.
    Enlargement: max. 6x.
    Years of production: 1974-77 "

    Would this be better than the Opemus 4x4?

    D.R.
     
    D.R., Jun 21, 2004
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    dadiOH Guest

    It isn't a format I have ever seen but would assume it is one using 127 film
    which is the same width as 35mm but has no sprocket holes; consequently, the
    negative width is wider than 35mm.
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    No, I was talking about the one below which is the only one I saw initially.
    Please excuse the confusion.
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    It would be if you ever plan to print 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 negatives. :) Note
    the maximum enlargement...with a 35mm neg biggest print you could get
    (without using a shorter lens) would be about 6" X 9"

    dadiOH
     
    dadiOH, Jun 22, 2004
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  12. D.R.

    dadiOH Guest

    Unless the eastern European brands you have been looking at are virtual
    giveaways, I would be a bit leery of them...obtaining parts, whatever.


    Check out the enlargers at Calumet...
    http://www.calumetphoto.com/

    Beseler makes dandy enlargers and the "Printmaker 35" seems very reasonably
    priced at $229.99. I have never seen let alone used it, always used 4x5
    Beselers.

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    dadiOH, Jun 22, 2004
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  13. D.R.

    RSD99 Guest

    "D.R." posted:
    "... Now I am confused. What is a 4cmx4cm negative?
    35mm=3.5cm < 4cm, but what about the width of
    the 35mm neg? This is for 35mm?
    ...."

    That would be commonly known as "127" film. Now mostly discontinued (but still available
    to the dedicated collector from a couple of specialty vendors). For more information, try
    doing an 'exact phrase' search on

    baby rolliflex

    a really "sweet" little camera. There also was a Yashica 44, and probably another several
    thousand low-budget cameras.
     
    RSD99, Jun 22, 2004
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  14. D.R.

    D.R. Guest


    Now I am confused. Do you mean 2.25 feets x 2.25 feet?

    The Opemus 4 has max enlargement of 6x. The Opemus 4x4
    has enlargement of 10x.

    I have seen an old Opemus 4x4 for NZ$55 (US$30) which
    seems like a steal with 30 day warranty from 2nd hand
    shop. I have seen an Opemus 4 for about twice that on
    an online auction, but it looks mint.

    I plan to print on 8x10 paper from 35mm film. Which if
    any is more suitable to me?

    ref:
    http://www.meopta.cz/history/products/history.phtml?products=enlargers
    http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=12665359

    Many thanks.
    D.R.
     
    D.R., Jun 22, 2004
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    dadiOH Guest

    Are you in training for trolling?
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    Multiply negative size by maximum enlargement and you'll soon know.

    dadiOH
     
    dadiOH, Jun 22, 2004
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  16. D.R.

    D.R. Guest

    Nope. So you meant 2.25"x2.25" negatives? I don't understand
    how you reach this number. I have done some calculations below
    though.
    So the Opemus 4 does 6x 25.02mm x 37.08mm = 15cm x 22cm (6" x 8.8").
    The 4x4 does 10x which is 25.02 x 37.08mm = 25cm x 37cm (10" x 14").

    I am not wanting to troll. I just wanted a to know whether both
    enlargers print 8"x12" or bigger? Based on the above reasoning,
    perhaps only the "4x4" model does?

    Googling gave me my "25.02mm x 37.08mm" dimensions for 35mm frame.

    My conclusion is that the 4x4 model is the one to go for? The only
    concern is the lens quality. Is it easy to see in the shop whether
    there is fungus/scratches, or must one turn it on and project an
    image to see, or remove the lens completely to examine?
     
    D.R., Jun 22, 2004
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  17. D.R.

    dadiOH Guest

    I reached that number because the page said the enlarger does 6x6 negs.
    That's 2 1/4 x 2 1/4.
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    Correct. Unless you replace the 80mm lens in the 6x6 with a shorter lens.
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    Yeah, it's easy to see. Just look at AND through it. Which means remove
    it. Projecting an image won't tell you if the lens is marred. A few minor
    scratches won't detract from it either.
     
    dadiOH, Jun 23, 2004
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  18. D.R.

    D.R. Guest

    lens.

    The Opemus 4 is advertised by the seller as having
    a 50mm lens, so I am guessing the swap has already
    been done. So either option is good.

    Many thanks for the help. I will see if I can figure
    out how to remove the lens on the one in the shop.

    Thanks.
    D.R.
     
    D.R., Jun 23, 2004
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    Randy Guest

    If it is in a shop have the sales person help you and show you what can
    be done with the lense board and also show you how to change it. The
    film sizes it will hold is also subject to the carrier. the same
    enlarger can do multiple size negs by just changing the neg carrier.
    Having said that make sure the enlarger is not just a 35mm enlarger if
    you want to do 6cmX6CM negs. I had a Bogen enlarger that was strictly a
    35mm or smaller enlarger... The lens board is usually held in by spring
    clips or thumb screws and the lens as explained earlier is held by a
    ring that comes with the lens... The same lens board will hold all
    sizes of lens...

    My 2 Cents worth


    L8r,

    Randy
     
    Randy, Jun 25, 2004
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    D.R. Guest

    Cheers dude. I ended up getting the Opemus 4, rather than the 4x4,
    because the shop staff had no clue what an enlarger was and it was
    looking a bit beat up. The Opemus 4 was in mint condition, so here's
    hoping. Now just gotta get me a safelight, eisle and a timer. Got
    my focus finder. :)

    I don't think I would want to print from anything larger than 35mm.
    This is just a little fun while I wait for dSLRs to get
    better/cheaper.
    ;-)
     
    D.R., Jun 25, 2004
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