EOS-1D Mark III Why no 16mm sample images?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Rita Ä Berkowitz, Mar 4, 2007.

  1. After looking at the specs for this camera I'm very impressed and I think
    this is really going to be a winner for Canon. They show this body with the
    new 16-35/2.8L attached to it, but there are no sample images posted with
    anything wider than 35mm. I and many other people are very excited about
    the announcement of this lens, but are disappointed that they don't show
    images taken with it, especially on this new body. I would expect this lens
    to do really well on the 1.3x crop. I hope Canon isn't running into any
    design and manufacturing hurdles with this lens.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E1DMK3/E1DMK3A7.HTM





    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Mar 4, 2007
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    Daniel Rocha Guest

    Daniel Rocha, Mar 6, 2007
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    Douglas Guest

    : After looking at the specs for this camera I'm very impressed and I think
    : this is really going to be a winner for Canon. They show this body with
    the
    : new 16-35/2.8L attached to it, but there are no sample images posted with
    : anything wider than 35mm. I and many other people are very excited about
    : the announcement of this lens, but are disappointed that they don't show
    : images taken with it, especially on this new body. I would expect this
    lens
    : to do really well on the 1.3x crop. I hope Canon isn't running into any
    : design and manufacturing hurdles with this lens.
    :
    : http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E1DMK3/E1DMK3A7.HTM
    :
    : Rita
    :
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    There is are interesting issues of softness and noise in this and subsequent
    images:
    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E1DMK3/FULLRES/E1DMK3IN_ISO0100_f28.HTM

    Softness in a Portrait is not significant issue but when you introduce noise
    AND softness, the image takes on a very degraded appearance. At lest with
    film, the grain is known and is a stable issue. The digitals noise issue is
    not anywhere near as predictable.

    If you shoot under exposed in daylight to compensate for highlight burn out,
    when you try to lift the shadows with (for example) Photoshop
    shadow/highlight tool - although their are many others - the noise issue
    becomes substantial in digital cameras. Often degrading an otherwise
    printable (via enlarger) image to the point it becomes useless.

    This is probably one area where film has it all over digital for
    consistency... Even - it would seem, a $14000 AUD digital SLR from Canon.

    Douglas
     
    Douglas, Mar 6, 2007
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    Mark² Guest

    The camera was focussed on the pink flower...not the face.
    As for noise...where?? Please be specific.
     
    Mark², Mar 7, 2007
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  5. On Mar 7, 2:11 pm, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number
    here)@cox..net>
    I'm with you, Mark² - this ranks right up there with D.M.'s silliest
    posts.
     
    mark.thomas.7, Mar 7, 2007
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  6. I agree with Mark M. as well. It's clear the photographer was
    focusing on the pink flower. Not only that, but the post above the
    pic states this:
    "NOTE: This image was shot with a preproduction prototype of the
    camera in question. Image quality may not be representative of final
    production models."
    IMHO, dpreview gives the best unbiased review of any digital camera.
    Helen
     
    helensilverburg, Mar 7, 2007
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  7. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Douglas Guest

    On Mar 7, 2:11 pm, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number
    here)@cox..net>
    I'm with you, Mark² - this ranks right up there with D.M.'s silliest
    posts.

    Yeah... You getthese sort of replies from idiots with no ability.
    Texture? Noise? which is it? Look at the picture.

    Focusing a camer on an object in front of a subject is a "quick and dirty"
    replacement for not having a DUTO filter on hand. It's a pretty normal
    practice on the road. but this shot is intended to demonstrate the camera,
    not a lens or a technique.

    What it does is demonstrate the camera focus points were not used by the
    tester to obtain the best evaluation. Either the tester was as ameturish as
    Mark Thomas or didn't know enough about what he was doing to have done it.
     
    Douglas, Mar 7, 2007
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  8. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Douglas Guest

    I agree with Mark M. as well. It's clear the photographer was
    focusing on the pink flower. Not only that, but the post above the
    pic states this:
    "NOTE: This image was shot with a preproduction prototype of the
    camera in question. Image quality may not be representative of final
    production models."
    IMHO, dpreview gives the best unbiased review of any digital camera.
    Helen
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    This brings into question, the value of ANY tests of non production cameras.
    If the image quality is not a true representation of what to expect and the
    medium of display is visual... There is little or no point in posting photos
    from the camera if they cannot be relied on to be representative of what to
    expect.

    I agree about DPreview up to the point of them relying on advertising and a
    legal agreement about disclosure from camera makers. Dogs don't generally
    bite the person who feeds them. So in that regard, DPreview are not entirely
    unbiased.

    as for the review in question? You might just as well post a picture from a
    10D and say the same thing. "This is what the image might look like but it
    may be better with the real thing and won't have a crop factor to it!
    Ridiculous!

    Douglas
     
    Douglas, Mar 7, 2007
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    Mark² Guest

    Before you go making pronouncements about how "amateurish" anyone else
    is...stop for a moment to acknowledge how utterly oblivious you were to what
    was going on in the photo you presented as evidence of a major Canon flaw.
    You completely blew it here, and yet you have the gall to continue
    lecturing... I suggest that before you embarrass yourself any further, you
    simply shut up long enough to see what others here EASILY identified.

    And where is this "noise" you refer to?? This is a very clean image,
    noise-wise. Do you know what noise is? I'm frankly beginning to wonder
    whether you do...
     
    Mark², Mar 8, 2007
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  10. Rita Ä Berkowitz

    Mark² Guest

    Actually, Douglas, it brings into question whether you should be making
    pronouncements about anything at all, since you utterly failed to understand
    the basics of what was happening in this image. You based your ridiculous
    pronouncement about the new Canon flagship body upon your absolute blindness
    to focus selection and DOF issues.
     
    Mark², Mar 8, 2007
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  11. Off topic..

    You mean the sort of idiots who can't tell o-o-f from lens softness?
    Yes, they are morons, alright Doug. Woops, that would be YOU.
    All the rest of us *are* looking. Clearly this opinion is penned by
    the same idiot who completely fails to show any evidence of same. You
    again, Douglas.

    We repeat, *where*, exactly, is the noise in that image??? Surely you
    must be able to point to somewhere specific that shows it most
    clearly?

    Actually, it just occurred to me - Douglas has been caught before
    looking at images while he has his browser set to 'shrink to fit'..
    Perhaps he thinks the background wall texture is 'noise'... (O; Or
    maybe it's a cheap LCD monitor? That might also explain why he thinks
    his jpeg artefacts are unavoidable...
    ?????
    You have *got* to be kidding. That is seriously funny. You honestly
    suggest any decent photographer would defocus as a 'normal practice'
    to achieve soft-focus? 'Quick and Dirty' is right, and it also shows
    your expertise level.

    Despite Doug's 'normal practice' comment, 'soft-focus' does NOT mean
    out of focus. Soft focus portraits have a diffuse glow to them, but
    high contrast details should remain sharp. Eg (overdone for
    clarity!)..

    http://www.marktphoto.com/portrait/slides/lara_1.htm

    Nowadays, with digital, it would be criminal to defocus in an attempt
    to get a 'soft' portrait. And back in the good old days, it would be
    just as criminal, as using a soft focus filter when *printing* would
    give an immeasurably better effect. Out of focus just looks like out
    of focus, except to people with no talent... (O;

    By the way, why would Doug refer to a 'duto', instead of the usual
    names, ie soft-focus, or diffuser? Does he think people might be
    impressed by it? (For the record, a 'duto' filter is a particular
    type of diffuser that is normally used to keep the centre of the image
    sharp, or relatively sharp, compared to the outer edges. In this
    case, a duto would *not* give the effect shown in his example, so it
    was a poor choice by Doug.)
    No, that is just your inexperienced interpretation. The sharpness of
    the face was not being evaluated, if one goes by the surrounding
    images and their settings...
    How aptly misspelt - at least I can manage to type 'amateur', Mr
    Pot...

    And it's *such a pity* all your galleries are down, because there
    would be lots more o-o-f images we could all point at. At the moment,
    about the only related one you have is here (refer the bottom
    image)...

    http://www.annika1980.com/D-Macs/returnl.htm

    ...but that is obviously motion blur. I guess if you think that bottom
    one is a keeper, it explains what sort of photographer would defocus
    to get a nice soft portrait...

    And I just love the 'dotty' copy protection in the top one, btw...
    *that'll* stop all us image thieves in our tracks... (grin) But
    what's all the extra crap down the right hand side? I think there is
    something wrong with your framing methodology...

    Keeping up the high standards, I see!


    Lastly, for anyone interested in Doug's rapidly declining state of
    mental health, he has put up this page as a good indication of his
    paranoia.

    http://www.annika1980.com/D-Macs/index.htm

    Quite sad, really. Get help, Doug.
     
    mark.thomas.7, Mar 9, 2007
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  12. http://www.marktphoto.com/portrait/slides/lara_1.htm

    What a gorgeous portrait Mark. Excellent work my friend!
    Helen
     
    helensilverburg, Mar 9, 2007
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