Every 15th Frame dropped - Any way to smooth out in Vegas 4 or other tool?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Erik Harris, Aug 6, 2003.

  1. Erik Harris

    Erik Harris Guest

    I'm working on a project with video footage from three cameras, none of which
    were under control (from a stage performance, some spotlight, and some

    1 - A good quality MiniDV recording from a tripod. The trouble is that most
    of this is zoomed out much further than I'd like, and sometimes, the operator
    wasn't paying attention and the action was off-camera. This is the primary
    source I'm using.

    2 - A pretty-good quality MicroMV recording taken without a tripod. Much of
    this footage is too shaky to use, and much of it is zoomed in _too_ close to
    use. But some of it is really good.

    3 - A very noisy Hi-8 recording taken without a tripod. Some of it is too
    shaky, and all of it is very grainy. I've used a _little_ bit of this
    footage, but more or less only as a last resort, and generally not for the
    spotlit scenes, where the noise is worse.

    The problem is that I just realized (after basically finishing the project)
    that the MicroMV footage has every 15th frame dropped. Every 15th frame is
    contains every (15+1)th frame as a placeholder. This results in the picture
    visibly jumping every half-second. It's very distracting, and I was hoping
    for some way to smooth it out. Does anyone have any suggestions?

    I tried two things, based on an erroneous assumption. I figured the "jump"
    was caused mostly by the fields being repeated (going in the order of ...28,
    29, 32, 33, 32, 33, 34, 35...), and that a slight pause every 1/30 second
    wouldn't be as noticeable as the back-and-forth field effect.

    1 - I re-encoded part of the MicroMV footage as progressive scan, dropping
    every other field. This didn't help.

    2 - I took about 8 seconds of footage, exporting every duplicated frame,
    deinterlacing twice (once with odd field, once with even field), and
    re-importing the deinterlaced pics in order, in place of the duplicated
    frames. This helped minimally, but the pause every half-second was still
    very noticeable.

    Is there any way to smooth out this pause? I know darn well that a good deal
    of the quality is lost and cannot be retrieved (getting the original MicroMV
    tape, finding a MicroMV device to use, and re-exporting the footage isn't
    really an option, unfortunately, just in case the original footage on the
    tape doesn't have this flaw). But is there any way that I can smooth this
    out so that it's not as distracting? It seems that all I would need is a
    simple filter to create an interpolated frame between frame 14 and frame 16,
    but considering that my last two ideas didn't pan out, I may be off base on
    this, too, and an interpolated frame might not successfully smooth it out

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    Erik Harris, Aug 6, 2003
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  2. Erik Harris

    123 Guest

    How about morphing? For the missing frame morph the two good frames to produce
    the missing frame. I'm sure it's a lot of work. Try what you can do with
    "WinMorph" (www.debugmode.com) which I believe is freeware. The program is very
    high quality and has been used in big-time Hollywood movies. The author, Satish
    Kumar, is in high regard in Vegas Video editing community and elsewhere. Drop him
    a note in debugmode.com forum.
    123, Aug 9, 2003
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