Excessive red-eye

Discussion in 'Digital Point & Shoot Camera' started by dvus, Jan 10, 2005.

  1. dvus

    dvus Guest

    I seem to be getting an awful lot of red-eye in the photos I shoot with a
    Canon A-95, whether I use the red-eye reduction or not. Anytime someone's
    eyes are visible, there it is, the dreaded devil eye effect.

    I suppose it's something I'm doing (or not doing), and I wondered if anyone
    had any tips to reduce this.
     
    dvus, Jan 10, 2005
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    MartinS Guest

    It seems to be worse if the subject is not looking directly at the
    camera. It's also worse when the pupil is dilated due to low light, so
    brighter ambient light will help (and maybe you won't need the flash).

    You can easily remove red-eye in post-processing; even IrfanView will do
    it, in addition to basic cropping, resizing, gamma adjustment, etc.
     
    MartinS, Jan 10, 2005
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    Bill Guest

    There are only four ways to minimize or eliminate red-eye.

    First is the obvious, don't use flash (increase light levels or use
    different settings and perhaps a tripod).

    Second is to move the flash away from the line of sight so the
    reflection of the subject's retina is minimized (bounce flash, handheld
    flash, etc).

    Third is to increase ambient light, as you mentioned, to contract the
    subject's pupils so the reflection is minimized (don't shoot in low
    light conditions).
    And that's the fourth way, and the method I use - editing.

    I don't bother with red-eye reduction at all. If I get it in my photos,
    I just use a digital photo editor (Photoshop Elements is great for this)
    to remove it - a few simple clicks and it's gone. This way I never have
    to worry about red-eye and ways to avoid it. I also don't have to use
    the annoying red-eye reduction lamp which can sometimes cause my
    subjects to squint.
     
    Bill, Jan 10, 2005
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    C J Campbell Guest

    I have never seen a red-eye reduction mode that works. Most of these modes
    simply increase the time between you press the shutter and the picture is
    taken, send out beams of lights that cause the subjects to squint, close
    their eyes, or move, or have other undesirable affects. Red-eye reduction
    modes are not worth bothering with at best and ruin your pictures at worst.
    The Nikon Coolpix 5200 has an automatic red-eye removal tool built in to the
    camera which works very well, which is great if you plan to do no other
    post-session editing.

    Then there is the on-camera flash. The flash units on all of these small
    cameras are great if you like to burn out your subject to near white while
    leaving the background nearly black, make your subjects look like they have
    made a pact with the devil, cause dogs' and cats' eyes to turn a glowing
    green, and give everything that is left a sickly blue cast. People are so
    conditioned by these monstrosities that it is nearly impossible to take a
    picture without people squinting, flinching, or looking away from the
    camera.

    On-camera flash has its uses, such as startling muggers. Those that have
    fill flash modes generally serve that purpose quite well. It also works
    surprisingly well for macro. And, believe it or note, there are a few
    occasions where the flash is actually useful as a flash. But it is really
    stupid to leave the thing on all the time where it drains your battery for
    every shot and ruins most of your pictures.

    On the whole it is better to shoot available light 90% of the time and rid
    yourself of the problems caused by the cursed flash.
     
    C J Campbell, Jan 10, 2005
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    Bill Guest

    Dang, never thought of that. I'll tell my girlfriend to get a digicam
    and keep it in her purse.
    :)
     
    Bill, Jan 11, 2005
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  6. And the two of you should watch Hitchcock's REAR WINDOW together.
    (I'd say more but I don't want to spoil the movie.)
     
    Ben Rosengart, Jan 11, 2005
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    C J Campbell Guest

    I've already seen it several times, plus the remake with Christopher Reeves.
     
    C J Campbell, Jan 11, 2005
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  8. I meant Bill and his girlfriend.
     
    Ben Rosengart, Jan 11, 2005
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  9. dvus

    C J Campbell Guest

    Oh. Well, I guess I will let them watch it, too. :)
     
    C J Campbell, Jan 11, 2005
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    dave32 Guest

    I have a Kodak DX7440 that produces almost no red-eye.. only a little
    when you are farther away from the subject.
     
    dave32, Jan 13, 2005
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    Donald Link Guest

    What is your question or is there one.
     
    Donald Link, Jan 14, 2005
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  12. I seem to be getting an awful lot of red-eye in the photos I shoot with a
    If you can, shoot without the flash, that is, with just ambient
    light.

    My experience has been that shooting at the highest (fastest) ISO
    without the on-camera flash gives better pictures in the end that
    anything with the flash. Of course, at a given point, it's too dark
    even for that.

    -Joel
     
    Dr. Joel M. Hoffman, Mar 6, 2005
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  13. And that's the fourth way, and the method I use - editing.
    A fifth way is the old-fashioned way; use a pencil or marker to
    physically color in the red eyes in the final print. It takes only 2
    seconds, and works really well.

    -Joel
     
    Dr. Joel M. Hoffman, Mar 6, 2005
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  14. I have never seen a red-eye reduction mode that works. Most of these modes
    Or you get a picture of people with a confused look on their face:

    1. You push the shutter

    2. People see the flashing light

    3. People contort their faces and say quixotically, "Hey, it looks
    light something's wrong with your..."

    4. Click.

    -Joel
     
    Dr. Joel M. Hoffman, Mar 6, 2005
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