Exporting with ADVC110 from iMovie to Camera

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by cmashieldscapting, Dec 22, 2005.

  1. My saga so far: I bought a brand new Canopus ADVC110 Advanced Digital
    Video Converter for use with iMovie 3.0.3 on my Macintosh G4. I can't
    understand hardly A WORD of the instruction manual, but with detailed
    questions and careful coaching from the members of four different
    Macintosh forums, over several days of intense effort I managed to
    create titles in iMovie, import audio, add music to the titles, and get
    it all to play the way I want.

    So far so good. NOW, how do I get it back OUT of iMovie, THROUGH the
    converter, and IN to my Sony video Hi8 camera, which shoots 8mm tape,
    not digital (which is one reason why I had to buy the converter)? So
    far, I've managed to connect the yellow video plug to the yellow video
    jack on the back of the converter, the black audio plug to the white
    audio jack on the back of the converter, and that's it. If the manual
    says a word about sending things back OUT of the converter, I can't
    find it and probably wouldn't understand it if I could. I don't know
    what mode to be in, how to know when it's gone from the Mac to the
    converter, or how to get it from the converter to the camera. ANY HELP
    is appreciated, thanks!

    Cori
     
    cmashieldscapting, Dec 22, 2005
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  2. cmashieldscapting

    Biz Guest

    WHy are you trying to take it back to a camera? Now you should be burning
    your completed project to a DVD....
     
    Biz, Dec 22, 2005
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  3. From: "Biz" <>
    Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:55:48 GMT

    WHy are you trying to take it back to a camera?  Now you should be
    burning
    your completed project to a DVD....

    Well, for one, it's (about a five-minute) part of a (four-hour long)
    project all of which I want to save to videotape (the rest of which
    will be dubbed directly from the camera to video to save me the five
    days of agony it took doing this much on the computer.) Once it's on
    video I can burn it to DVD by connecting my DVD burner to the VCR, but
    to burn it directly to DVD (even supposing the full four hours were in
    the computer which it's not and isn't going to be if I can help it) I
    would STILL need to get it out of the computer, at least presumably,
    unless there's some way to channel it directly from the computer into
    the DVD burner which maybe there is but I haven't tried that yet.

    Right now I just want to export this five minutes or whatever I have so
    far back to my video camera...please?

    Cori
     
    cmashieldscapting, Dec 22, 2005
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  4. cmashieldscapting

    Warren Oates Guest

    Read through the manual for your camera about recording from the
    "line-inputs." What kind of inputs does the camera have?

    I'm guessing that the inputs are intuitively on the front of the machine
    and the outputs are on the back (this isn't Sonic, after all).

    The converter outputs should say Video Out (yellow) and there should be
    TWO Audio Outs, one red and one white. Your camera may only have ONE
    audio in, in which case you should use the WHITE output (this is kind of
    a "standard") which corresponds to the LEFT channel.

    The easiest way to try it is to put a fresh tape in the camera; hook up
    the outs from the Canopus to the ins on the camera; set iMovie up for
    "output to tape" or "print to tape" or "present movie" or "Share" (under
    the File menu); push the record button on the camera; push the Share
    button; see what happens.
     
    Warren Oates, Dec 22, 2005
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  5. cmashieldscapting

    Mike Kujbida Guest


    The bottom line is that you can't do what you want to do. Your camcorder is
    a HI-8, i.e. analog, which means the A/V jacks on it are for output only.
    To get video out of your computer, you'll need to hook up a VHS deck (or
    similar tape machine) with A/V inputs. Either that or find a friend with a
    mini DV camcorder and do it via a firewire cable.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Dec 22, 2005
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  6. cmashieldscapting

    davesvideo Guest

    Er, no, analog and output only are not related. There are some hi-8s
    that are output only, but both the ones I owned were both ways. True,
    there is only one set of jacks but, when in play mode they they are
    output and when switched to record. they are input. I think that when
    they started making very cheap camcorders, then not all had the dual
    feature. A bigger problem is that the OP seemed to want to save to the
    hi-8, which means a generation loss.

    Dave
     
    davesvideo, Dec 22, 2005
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  7. cmashieldscapting

    Mike Kujbida Guest


    Thanks for that Dave. I had no idea these units had input capability.
    BTW, you're right about the quality hit the OP will be taking going to
    Hi-8 and then DVD.

    To the OP (or any Mac user here), doesn't iMovie come with basic DVD
    authoring software? If not, spend the $79 and get "iLife '05" which
    includes this and more (iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, GarageBand and the latest
    version of iTunes).
    BTW, if you think you're going to get 4 hours on one DVD, think again
    as it's not going to happen, at least with iMovie. Even with better
    software, the quality hit will be huge.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Dec 22, 2005
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    sbt Guest

    The quality hit will be significant, going to 4 hours on a single-layer
    DVD (easy to get 4 hours on a dual-layer, though). However, iMovie is
    not germane to the issue -- the MPEG-2 encoder is the determining
    factor and that's usually included with the authoring software
    (Compressor, which comes with DVD Studio Pro, or the encoder built into
    iDVD).
     
    sbt, Dec 22, 2005
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  9. Okay, I'll try both. First, the camera manual DOES have instructions
    for recording FROM a VCR using the same jack (apparently the only one
    on it, the hole in the front) as recording TO a VCR, only there's a
    couple different buttons you push. Maybe that will work with the
    converter.

    If 1. It doesn't work, or 2. It looks totally crummy, I'll record
    directly FROM the Mac TO a VCR and still bypass all the additional
    turmoil of trying to connect and understand a DVD burner with which I'm
    not ready to deal yet.

    (Would it really look any fresher if I took it directly from the Mac,
    to the VCR, with no camera in between? The idea of putting it on the
    camera was to have it in 3 places, eventually 4 with the DVD--iMovie,
    8mm tape, VHS tape, then DVD, in case one of these machines pulls
    something and loses me the five days of work I put into it.) Or does
    quality diminishment occur only AFTER it is on VHS and is duplicated to
    DVD? Because both the guy who is making multiple copies for other
    people, and me, who will be making DVD copies for myself and a few
    others, were going to try to cram all four hours onto one disk.

    The reason I came asking questions about the converter is it has 6
    little switches on the bottom about the position of which the manual is
    very vague, and God knows if ONE is out of place, NOTHING will work!
    The "Digital In" light is lit, though, and I suppose the converter
    understands that if the jacks are connected to the back, and the device
    connected is in proper recording mode, that it's meant to send the
    signal out. I'll see if it works. Thanks for the advice and opinions.

    Cori
     
    cmashieldscapting, Dec 22, 2005
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    TC Guest

    IMovie craps out at about 56-57 minutes of movie length. If you need
    longer, use Final Cut Express HD.
     
    TC, Dec 22, 2005
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  11. IMovie craps out at about 56-57 minutes of movie length. If you need
    longer, use Final Cut Express HD.

    Thanks for telling me this. It confirms as much as I suspected. I
    used iMovie ONLY for things I REALLY couldn't do any other way, such as
    titles, and very tight editing of clips. The rest I am doing ENTIRELY
    on the camcorder and VCR, and if the transitions don't look exactly
    like those in a real movie, well hey, neither does the rest of the
    movie! I did see on the Apple Forums discussion that something, I
    think it was an import into iMovie, quit after 19 minutes. Luckily I
    won't be importing ANYTHING longer than about three minutes!

    Cori
     
    cmashieldscapting, Dec 22, 2005
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  12. Drat. It seems the instructions for recording to the camera from
    another device are only for the fancy digital model. If I have to
    Export from iMovie to the ADVC110 converter and then to a VCR that
    raises another question: the converter demands the connected device be
    in record the whole time or it will throw a snit and not capture the
    data. Trouble is, it takes about two minutes to Export from the
    computer to the converter, then I have NO IDEA if there's something I'm
    supposed to switch AFTER Exporting to make SURE the data is captured!
    Meanwhile my VCR has recorded two minutes of nothing during the Export,
    and then more nothing during however much time it takes to capture,
    unless it's possible to fool the converter by having the VCR on pause
    until really ready, which is probably not good for the tape.

    What I'd like is some way to Export FROM the computer TO the converter,
    and then FROM the converter TO the VCR WHEN I'M DARN GOOD AND READY!
    This was the other big reason I wanted the iMovie titles on the
    camera--dubbing from the camera, I can put them EXACTLY where on the
    tape I want them--not just wherever they happen to show up when the
    machines are ready!

    (If there's NO WAY to make it go from the converter to a VCR at will,
    then I'll HAVE to burn a DVD and just dub from the DVD to the
    videotape--which means getting out and connecting the DVD burner and
    reading all THOSE instructions--gasp, shudder.)

    P. S. regarding length in iMovie--I barely figured out how to start one
    project and will probably want the outtakes clips in another project
    than the Titles. It must be possible to open either another project,
    or another folder in the same project, in iMovie, right? Then
    theoretically by running one project after another make a movie of any
    length on video or DVD?

    The pressing question, of course, right now is the titles, thanks.

    Cori
     
    cmashieldscapting, Dec 23, 2005
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    sbt Guest

    Copying to the analog camera and from there to the VCR will introduce
    one additional "generation" of loss, since you end up with an analog
    copy of an analog copy of a digital source (2 gen loss) rather than an
    analog copy of a digital source (1 gen of loss). Digital-to-digital
    does not introduce any loss, anything to analog does. DVD will
    introduce its own loss, but that is due to compression and encoding
    rather than signal loss.

    If you want VHS copies, each should be made directly from the digital
    source. Similarly, the 8mm copies should be made directly from the
    digital source to minimize loss.

    So far as DVD encoding goes, you can also make DVDs using MPEG-1, which
    is virtually identical quality to VHS, and that will fit about 7 hours
    on a DVD, but you can't do that with iDVD. You'll need some other
    solution, such as encoding with ffmpegX and burning/authoring with
    Toast (you can still do your editing in iMovie).
     
    sbt, Dec 23, 2005
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    TC Guest

    What I'd like is some way to Export FROM the computer TO the converter,
    In IMovie, under the FILE menu, choose the SHARE option. Then select the
    Videocamera icon. Trick Imovie by connecting your Firewire cable not to
    a videocamera, but to the DV IN/OUT on the back of the 110. If you don't
    have a Firewire cable, use the DV cable that came with the video camera.
    Connect the Firewire end of the DV cable to the computer and the DV end
    to the DV IN/OUT on the front of the 110. Then using RCA cables, connect
    the yellow cable to the VIDEO OUT on the back of the 110, and the red
    and white to the AUDIO OUT on the back of the 110. Connect the other
    ends of these RCA cables to the approriate inputs on either the front or
    back of your VCR. The 110 will be powered as soon as you connect the
    Firewire cable from the computer. Then press the silver INPUT SELECT
    button on the front of the 110 until DIGITAL IN is illuminated. Now you
    can transfer the digital info back to analog for recording on your VCR.
    Follow these instructions exactly and it will work.
     
    TC, Dec 23, 2005
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    rebus Guest

    connect outputs of box to inputs of camera
    put camera in VCR mode.
    don't start yet.

    to output

    FILE/EXPORT - set popup to "to camera"

    set other fields.
    start recording on the camera, then click export button
    on computer.

    good luck!
     
    rebus, Dec 23, 2005
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  16. From: rebus <>
    Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:56:33 -0800

    connect outputs of box to inputs of camera
    put camera in VCR mode.
    don't start yet.

    to output

      FILE/EXPORT   - set popup to "to camera"

    set other fields.
    start recording on the camera, then click export button
    on computer.

    good luck!

    As nearly as I was able, I tried something very much like that, but
    even if I did everything correctly in the right order, the idea I ended
    up with is that my camera was not designed to do that.

    Cori
     
    cmashieldscapting, Dec 23, 2005
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  17. Of all the possibilities, it is now looking the most as if I'll have to
    get a DVD-RW disk and just try it on the DVD burner till I get it
    right, but even when I get the disk, with or without considering the
    Canopus ADVC110 converter as part of the equation, I STILL have a
    question about exporting from iMovie!

    It gives me three choices to Export, to Camera, to iDVD, or to
    Quicktime. Now, is iDVD some sort of application (like iMovie or
    iPhoto)? If so, I'm pretty sure I don't have it and I KNOW my computer
    didn't come with a DVD burner--it's a combo drive--plays DVDs only but
    won't burn them--that's why I had to buy the separate DVD burner.

    Or is iDVD a form (like jpeg or whatever) for saving information which
    can then be sent wherever? (From what was said earlier in this thread
    it doesn't sound like it, I'm just grasping at straws at this point.)

    One of the things I am asking is, when I get to the point of connecting
    my DVD burner, will iMovie relate to it as another destination to which
    to Export (right now it is relating to the converter as the "Camera")
    or will it just get confused as to where to Export the movie? Will I
    have to disconnect the converter, or connect the DVD burner to the
    converter rather than directly to the Mac even though there are enough
    ports for both pieces of equipment to be connected to the Mac at once?
    Thanks.

    Cori
     
    cmashieldscapting, Dec 23, 2005
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  18. cmashieldscapting

    TC Guest

    You really need to go to the Apple website and have a look at the IMovie
    tutorial. It will answer your questions. We have pretty much walked you
    through everything you've asked, but you need a more fundamental
    understanding of what making movies and DVD authoring is all about. Not
    to be demeaning, but it's difficult to build a house without knowing how
    a house is built or what tools to use and how to use them.
     
    TC, Dec 23, 2005
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  19. From: TC <>
    Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:02:59 -0600

    You really need to go to the Apple website and have a look at the
    IMovie
    tutorial. It will answer your questions. We have pretty much walked you

    through everything you've asked, but you need a more fundamental
    understanding of what making movies and DVD authoring is all about. Not

    to be demeaning, but it's difficult to build a house without knowing
    how
    a house is built or what tools to use and how to use them.

    This says
    http://www.apple.com/support/imovie/tutorial/imovieTutorial_t9.html
    that iDVD is an application that helps design and burn DVD disks. I
    have the sense to see that my material in iMovie, being in digital
    form, should be transferred directly to DVD, also being in digital
    form, rather than being run through the converter to tape which would
    result in a generational loss. Maybe once my DVD burner is connected
    I'll be lucky and figure out how to get the movie from iDVD to the
    burner. Right now I'm still trying to select and then purchase the
    right disks!

    Cori
     
    cmashieldscapting, Dec 23, 2005
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  20. Nearly a month into this project (I originally posted on December 15
    asking what equipment I needed to get material from my video camera
    into iMovie and back out again--so far it is in, but not out--) here is
    my pathetic little progress report. Most of it is in the form of an
    email to my friend who will be copying the movie for others once it is
    actually done, but I've added a few technical details I didn't go into
    with him. If there's anything I am missing, overlooking, not
    understanding, or getting wrong, perhaps someone will be so kind as to
    point it out.

    Dear Friend,

    This is just to let you know of my progress so far and that I am
    thinking of this project which is right near the front of my list of
    things to do.

    Of course, had I dubbed the tapes directly to VHS from the camera I
    could have had them done practically the next day. I have already
    viewed all the footage, decided which section of each will be used for
    the official "final cut" of the movie, and made careful notes to ensure
    doing this right.

    The delay was because I decided to add some special touches such as
    titles, and do some tight editing on some of the outtakes, all of which
    has to be done on the computer. It really only amounts to about 10-15
    minutes of a 4-hour movie. The rest will be done the "easy,
    old-fashioned" way by dubbing directly to VHS but the amount of things
    to know and time it took to learn and do them were truly frightening.
    A huge amount of the problem was there wasn't a "simple" way to import
    and export as I'd bought the plain old tape-shooting camera and not the
    fancy digital model. Importing was easily solved though purchasing
    another piece of equipment.

    I did have a bit of trouble with the clips, not with importing them but
    with keeping them straight. I had to ask a whole lot of questions
    regarding iMovie and one of the things I learned was that clips can be
    renamed from the "Clip 1," "Clip 2" and so on it gives them when they
    appear. I now feel pretty confident of having imported everything I
    need to work on that way and labeling it so I can tell what everything
    is.

    Then, of course, the holidays intervened from at least December 24-28.
    Right after that the weather had a little temporary good spell and we
    rushed out to do all the outdoor jobs that didn't get done when it
    suddenly froze and snowed in November! Now that it seems to have
    really set in raining I feel I can concentrate.

    There are several different ways the clips can be edited and I'm to the
    point of working on that. After that, there are several ways they
    *might* be saved to DVD (I did buy a DVD burner I haven't even got to
    yet) and IF the DVD plays in my combination VCR/DVD player I'm in great
    shape. (It's in the case that this doesn't work I've been preparing
    myself for a major panic!!!) It apparently HAS to be saved to DVD as
    there IS no exporting, unless you know someone who'd like to lend me a
    digital camera for long enough to get the stuff out of the computer,
    then onto tape in the right order!

    Anyhow, one of the things that might help is this certain program.
    (It's called Toast and there is a disagreement among users as to
    whether Toast 6 or Toast 7 is the best version.) My computer really
    needs an upgrade, which, if I have it, I can get the latest version of
    this program. (I'm running Mac OSX 10.2.8, and Toast 7 requires at
    least 10.3, which is what I'm getting. Then if it doesn't work I can
    always go back to Toast 6.) I've already ordered the upgrade software
    and hope by the time I get all the clips really arranged and ready to
    go it will have arrived and I can do this. (The other reason being, if
    it *gulp* doesn't work, with the upgrade it might leave me open to more
    other options than with the system I am now running.)

    So you tell anyone who asks as much of this as you care to repeat. I
    want to get DVDs for a friend who lives overseas and won't be able to
    play VHS tapes. I suppose I *could* make them on my DVD burner by
    connecting it to the VCR, but it might be easier if I just gave you
    blank DVDs! I think I'll be giving videos to everyone else on my list
    as, so far as I understand, the quality might be slightly higher.

    What worries me is, for quality reasons, I want to record the master
    tape on two VHS tapes of two hours each in length. To make DVDs do you
    have to have material all in one continuous session? So will you have
    to first run a single VHS tape on LP and then make the DVDs from that?
    Or is there a way to make DVDs straight from the master tape? Just
    wondering.

    Best to you from your friend.

    It's like that song, "Hush, Little Baby," if this doesn't work, then
    that, if that doesn't work, the next thing. I'm posting it here in
    case anyone has any helpful suggestions on any step of the process!
    Thanks for all help so far!

    Cori
     
    cmashieldscapting, Jan 11, 2006
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