External Firewire hard drive shut down correct procedure

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by AaronK, Jan 5, 2004.

  1. AaronK

    AaronK Guest

    Hi all,

    I have an external firewire hard drive (LaCie) on my Dell laptop running
    WinXP pro. The LaCie is 6 pin firewire, Dell is 4 pin. I can't seem to
    find any documentation anywhere as to the correct procedure for booting and
    closing down windows when using the firewire drive as an additional drive.
    (it's not the boot drive)

    I've read about disconnecting the drive using the WinXP disconnect utility
    on the task bar but I'm not disconnecting the drive. I'm keeping it plugged
    into the laptop at all times.

    So, do I turn on the laptop, boot windows, then turn on the hard drive, or
    turn it on first, then boot the laptop? Or do I have to start both units
    up, then physically plug the firewire cable into the laptop.

    Same for shutdown. Do I have to use the disconnect utility, then turn off
    the hard drive, then close windows, or what?

    Thanks ... Aaron
     
    AaronK, Jan 5, 2004
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  2. Power UP the external drive BEFORE starting up Windows.
    Reason: so that the drive has gone through all its own
    internal power-up stuff before Windows goes looking for it.

    You COULD, alternately, power up the external drive after
    windows has completed its startup stuff. But I prefer to give
    Windows as few opportunities to screw up as is possible
    under my control.

    Power DOWN the external drive AFTER shutting down
    Windows. Reason: So that Windows disconnects the drive
    in its own preferable manner without interference of the
    drive going down.

    You do NOT have to use the disconnect utility IF you are
    shutting down Windows with the drive still running and
    connected. The disconnect is PART OF the Windows
    shutdown procedure. You need the disconnect utility ONLY
    if you are disconnecting or shutting down the drive WHILE
    Windows is still running.

    We old-timers should remember to document this stuff for
    the newer generations. :)
     
    Richard Crowley, Jan 5, 2004
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  3. AaronK

    AaronK Guest

    Flattering, but I'm 51 year old :) I've just never had an external
    firewire drive, and the manual didn't mention this. Wonder if I can capture
    vido with this laptop. Probably not too well, esp because the LaCie only
    has a 2mb buffer. To lazy to roll my own hard drive.

    Thanks, Makes sense. hope this helps the next person doing Google
    newsgroup search on this subject. It's not very often you have to actually
    ask a question anymore, it's usually all been said before. ... Aaron
     
    AaronK, Jan 5, 2004
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  4. AaronK

    Steve King Guest

    I do not have a firewire hard HD on my system, but I do wonder why I can
    plug in a camera or a printer or a scanner and have XP recognize it
    immediately just as it recognizes when those items are unplugged, in other
    words hot swapping in and out... and cannot do the same with a HD??

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Jan 5, 2004
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  5. You can, but oyu have to remember what some of what is written to a hard
    drive is sitting in memory cache and if you just yank a hard drive out
    without telling windows to write the cache and close the drive, you are
    going to lose data.
     
    Chris Phillipo, Jan 5, 2004
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  6. AaronK

    Steve King Guest

    Thanks, Chris. Is there a command or menu choice to tell the drive to
    "write the cache and close the drive"?

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Jan 5, 2004
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  7. On mine there's an icon in the taskbar that says "shutdown &
    disconnect".
     
    Chris Phillipo, Jan 5, 2004
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  8. AaronK

    ctrl-z Guest

    Thanks, Chris. Is there a command or menu choice to tell the drive to
    WinXP will give you an icon in the systray. Use it to disconnect
    external devices.

    Even with caches enabled, Windows usually finishes with the drive
    pretty quick, so improperly unplugging the drive rarely results in
    data loss. I should know. :)
     
    ctrl-z, Jan 5, 2004
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  9. AaronK

    david.mccall Guest

    As others mentioned, there should be an icon in the systray that
    allows to pop up a window with your USB and 1394 devices.
    You can stop any of them properly in this window by selecting the
    device and hitting "stop" at the bottom. When I was initially setting
    up my laptop (XP-Home) there was an opportunity to choose an
    option that allowed drives to be removed at will, but I have not
    seen it since. Perhaps I was dreaming, or perhaps someone else
    can shed a little light on this subject.

    David
     
    david.mccall, Jan 5, 2004
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  10. AaronK

    Steve King Guest

    Thanks, everybody. I just added a 160 Gig SATA drive bringing the total
    internal storage to 320 Gig. However, even with that amount of storage, I
    want the ability to archive as I complete projects. External firewire looks
    like the way to go.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Jan 5, 2004
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  11. AaronK

    david.mccall Guest

    I installed a removable tray in my ADS firewire/USB-2. That way I can
    change drives easily. I have a few trays so I can keep a few drives loaded
    at any time, and I can change drives without rebooting the computer. Each
    tray has it's own fan, plus there is a fan at the back of the holder for the
    tray,
    and the ADS enclosure has it's own fan. I've used both with firewire and
    USB-2, and haven't had any problems I can directly attribute to the
    enclosure or tray system. BTW, the fans used are those little fans, so you
    have to keep an eye on them. I have had several fail over the years, but my
    environment is pretty dusty.

    David
     
    david.mccall, Jan 6, 2004
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  12. AaronK

    Steve King Guest

    Thanks, again. I've got a several empty trays sitting around. I'll put
    them to use.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Jan 6, 2004
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