Ferrari butchered by Sony A350

Discussion in 'Sony' started by Focus, May 3, 2008.

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    Focus Guest

    Boy, bad colors, no sharpness, useless IS and bad software; Sony has a lot
    to learn.

    But what do you think of the pics?

    http://photos-of-portugal.com/
     
    Focus, May 3, 2008
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Given the mainly poor composition and clutter I would put the butchery
    on the photographer, not the camera. But that is so often the case,
    isn't it?

    The colors, where not influenced by reflections and open shade (blueness
    in the shadows) are as correct as a JPG shown on the internet on a
    variety of screens is likely to be.

    Shooting so close to dead noon is bound to have issues, isn't it?

    Automobile photos done by anyone who knows what they are doing are done
    with a lot more care to reflections, lighting and color.

    Keep up the good work. You'll get there in time.
     
    Alan Browne, May 3, 2008
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    Focus Guest

    It was late in the afternoon, about 4.00. Not my time, but the client wanted
    it. Also I wanted to go to a nice place at a beach, but he preferred this
    background.
    The colors aren't good. If you look closer, you'll find magenta bleeding in
    the red. The RAW files were even worse, with some parts more orange and
    others total magenta.
    Just shows how useless those reviews are on all sites.
     
    Focus, May 3, 2008
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  4. I know one thing. Those wheels would look sweet on the old John Deere!



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    Rita Berkowitz, May 3, 2008
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    Alan Browne Guest

    n the afternoon, about 4.00.

    Portugal at 16:00 the sun is very high in May ... same thing.


    Not my time, but the client wanted
    Again, look up. Sky=blue: this will bleed into the blue channel. Point
    you photoshop cursor at the pavement shadow are near the car and you'll
    see a huge magenta component. This is not the camera's fault - it is
    the 'fill' from the blue sky.

    In a raw file the only colors are RGB (for this sensor). How did you
    import them? What s/w? What settings?

    Actually I have seen reports on the 350 referring to softness issues,
    but not color issues.

    The IS of even the lowly Maxxum 7D is very good to about 2 stops if you
    use good handholding technique. OTOH, if I were shooting a car I would
    definitely be using a tripod.
     
    Alan Browne, May 3, 2008
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    C J Campbell Guest

    Nice car. Too bad about the terrible lighting conditions. Even shading
    it with a bed sheet would have helped.
     
    C J Campbell, May 4, 2008
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  7. For cars, work at dusk with the afterglow of sunset in sky - a big, soft
    light over the top of the car. Go down to the beach or use a light
    ground not black tarmac.

    It's the harsh light which is at fault here, not the camera in any way.
    For this colour, you should shoot or process to AdobeRGB (doesn't help
    web viewing I know) and adjusting the White Balance can have useful results.

    But the secret to really great car shots is after-sunset or dawn light
    plus water or sand - loads of reflection.

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    David Kilpatrick, May 4, 2008
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    Smeeegles Guest

    looks like a typical point and shoot quality camera picture.
    composition is excellent so it makes up for the poor quality equipment.
     
    Smeeegles, May 4, 2008
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    dj_nme Guest

    Says you.
    What, no exif data?
    Or, a "point and shoot" quality user.
    To compensate for the high contrast between the top of the car and the
    side, infill flash should have been used to fill the shadow and reduce
    the contrast between side and top.
    Set the camera to expose the rest of the scene correctly (eg ISO 100
    1/100th f1:16) and the flash at -2EV to put some light in the shadows on
    the car without washing them out completely.
    We only have the word of the OP that the camera used to take these was
    actually a Sony A350, the exif has been stripped and so there is no way
    to confirm or disprove his(?) claims.
     
    dj_nme, May 4, 2008
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    frederick Guest

    Except he's been posting here (dslr.systems) for a while, seems a
    reasonable person - not a troll, and some of us tend to believe him.
    EXIF proves nothing anyway - it's very easy to forge.
     
    frederick, May 4, 2008
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    I don't understand your "no sharpness, useless IS" claim. First of all
    to judge sharpness you would have to inspect the high resolution
    originals, not some resized images.

    Secondly, on such a bright day the exposure times must have been very
    short, so IS will not have been used. So why are you complaing about IS?

    As for the colours if you shoot RAW, the camera output does not matter.

    And what do you mean with bad software?
     
    Alfred Molon, May 4, 2008
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    Here:
    http://photos-of-portugal.com/medium/0013.jpg

    the lighting is horrible. As if the owner spot-metered on the car. A
    polariser filter and fill-flash would have helped. It looks like a user
    error.
     
    Alfred Molon, May 4, 2008
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    Apparently these were taken with a Nikon D300. Have a look at the bottom
    of this page:
    http://tinyurl.com/442xoe

    "Photographer: photos-of-portugal.com | Camera: NIKON D300 | Date:
    22/02/08 14:08 | Resolution: 2848 x 4288 | ISO: 800 | Exp. Time: 1/320s
    | Aperture: 5.0 | Focal Length: 28.0mm"
     
    Alfred Molon, May 4, 2008
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    Allen Guest

    Many other posts from the OP disprove this statement.
    Allen
    <snip>
     
    Allen, May 4, 2008
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    Jim Townsend Guest

    I don't know how you can tell anything looking at images that have been
    downsized to 1024 x 681.

    It's difficult getting good results when photographing a car on a clear
    day when the sun is high in the sky. A bright flash or some large
    reflectors would have reduced the harsh shadows that detract from most
    of the photos.
     
    Jim Townsend, May 4, 2008
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    Focus Guest

    Thanks, you're right. The client wanted it this way and even told me how to
    shoot (ARGH!!).
    He now agrees to shoot at a beach or rock and at sunset, so hopefully I have
    something better soon.

    What about that Adobe RGB? Will it help to prevent magenta from showing in
    red?
    The same problem exists with shooting a "black" rose; magenta spots
    everywhere and the red is just to bright. Almost all digi cams have this
    problem..
     
    Focus, May 4, 2008
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    Focus Guest

    And trust me: it goes faster, but not more comfortable ;-)
     
    Focus, May 4, 2008
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    Focus Guest

    Thanks.
    That's all I wanted to know: how are the pictures, or better, the
    composition.
    Too bad other, better camera's don't have that tilting screen. It works
    great for these low shots!
     
    Focus, May 4, 2008
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    Alan Browne Guest

    A common trick is to flood the asphalt with water everywhere in the
    scene. Also ads a great reflection of the subject...

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, May 4, 2008
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    Frank ess Guest

    I always learn something of real value in these discussions, even
    though some acrimony and brand-zenophilism sometimes creeps in.

    Automobile photos: See, I'm old and experienced enough to know all
    the stuff that makes a good car picture. It's just that when I get out
    there in the field some of it escapes me, so when I get home I realize
    the difference between me and a photographer: he remembers it all and
    practices it. I get part of it right, some times, all of it right
    rarely, and none of it right quite often.

    See what I mean:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/fyougitive/sets/72157604879969909/

    We're coming to the part of the year that offers this kind of diffused
    lighting, some days until (like these) high noon or cleose to it, here
    in San Diego, California, USA. On a couple of the pictures I
    remembered the polarizer. On none of them I remembered fill flash. In
    spite of its shortcomings, I do have a favorite; can you imagine which
    one?

    Respy,
     
    Frank ess, May 4, 2008
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