Film body for CPU lens question.

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by Keith G, Apr 19, 2009.

  1. Keith G

    Keith G Guest

    Hi everyone, first post here - with a question, if you don't mind!

    I'm using Nikon D40X and D60 bodies with a bunch of MF lenses, including one
    each of the new 'Cosinalanders' which are 'chipped' and which work fine with
    the camera's metering &c. - if you set at -1EV, but that's another story.
    I'm now toying with the idea of a *film* body and would like one that would
    work in the same way using the lens' CPU for metering, auto and/or semi-auto
    modes. Unfortunately, I've no real knowledge of the more recent Nikon models
    and have no idea what to go for - does anyone here have any recommendations?

    Manual operation with the MF Nikkors would be a bonus, but is not
    essential - see my collection here, if you are interested:
    Keith G, Apr 19, 2009
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    Bruce Guest

    The Nikon F100 would be a good choice. It will meter (center weighted)
    with MF AIS Nikkors giving P, M, S and A modes. It offers matrix
    metering with CPU-equipped AF Nikkors.

    I think the N90s also offers most, if not all of those, and it is quite
    a robust camera.
    Bruce, Apr 19, 2009
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  3. Keith G

    Keith G Guest

    Many thanks Bruce and Malcolm for those excellent suggestions - the N90
    seems to be an American model which of course picks up a fair bit of postage
    on eBay, but the F100 looks ideal!

    While I'm on, I'm looking at Peak Imaging for processing (if I do get into
    it) - is there a significantly better option in the UK and who is best for
    films? (Not talking about high volume here!)

    TIA, once again!
    Keith G, Apr 19, 2009
  4. Keith G

    Keith G Guest

    Thanks Malcolm, I'm OK with that (is why I use the D40X and D60 bodies) and
    would only be using the Voigtlanders (and a Planar and the AIS Nikkors I've
    got, if I wanted MF) on a film body. It's because the Voigts allow automatic
    metering that is making me consider another go at film - I'm fine at setting
    exposures manually with digital and mostly get them right first time, but I
    wouldn't risk it with film!!

    That all said, I'm also toying with the idea of shrinking my collection of
    MF primes (so many I don't use) - if anyone is interested in any of them at
    'eBay prices' would they let me know. (Ignore the Vivitar zoom, that was
    only put in to make the triangular shape up for the pic - it's got a stuck
    iris, which is a shame because the glass is *excellent*!!)
    Keith G, Apr 19, 2009
  5. Keith G

    Bruce Guest

    None of these will meter with manual focus Nikkors, so they would all be
    completely unsuitable for the OP.

    Of course, if you had read his posting before replying, you would
    probably have realised this.
    Bruce, Apr 19, 2009
  6. Keith G

    Bruce Guest

    I'm sorry, I often post to newsgroups that are US-dominated. The N90s
    is indeed a US model but there is a UK version called the F90X.

    You should be able to pick up a good F90X in the £100 - £150 range and a
    good F100 in the £150 to £200 range. I was looking at a £200 F100 in
    Watford only the other day.

    Peak Imaging are about the best but they are expensive. Your local ASDA
    or Morrisons may have a photo lab. They use Fuji Frontier machines and
    produce results of a high standard at reasonable prices. Tesco use a
    variety of machines so the quality varies. Boots quality is high - they
    also use Fuji Frontier - but you pay more. There's also CostCo but you
    need to be a member. High street shops such as SnappySnaps are very

    Please note my reply to Malcolm elsewhere in the thread - he has
    suggested cameras that will not provide metering with your manual focus
    Nikkors, and will only work in unmetered manual mode with those lenses.
    Bruce, Apr 19, 2009
  7. Keith G

    Keith G Guest

    The metering is important - I can 'guesstimate' all day long with digital
    and get it right first time most times; with film it'd be a total disaster!

    Here's my 'non Nikkor' family (hasty snap, not very good), if anyone is

    I've got to think it over hard - I've got so used to blowing 40+ shots on a
    trip down the garage or 20+ shots up to the post box and back!!
    Keith G, Apr 19, 2009
  8. Keith G

    Bruce Guest

    I apologise, I didn't realise such things existed.

    Do you know if the Carl Zeiss ZF lenses are also CPU-equipped?
    Bruce, Apr 19, 2009
  9. Keith G

    Keith G Guest

    Summat like this would be good if it holds up (I haven't studied the

    Thanks for that - most helpful, but tbh an online/postal service would do me
    just as well - the postbox is on the corner of our front garden and the post
    is very good; the point of going back to film (apart from missing the whole
    *film* thing) is to pull back from *instant digital* and put a little of the
    *60s* 'I wonder how they'll turn out - wait and see!' back into it!!

    (I'm already halfway there with the MF lenses and 'guesswork' exposures! :)

    I'm fine with that - thanks.
    Keith G, Apr 19, 2009
  10. Keith G

    Keith G Guest

    No worries.

    They are *not* chipped but you do get the 'rabbit ears on the Zeiss; - see
    (another crappy snap):

    Voigt on the left; Zeiss ZF on the right.

    Stonking lenses, I might add - with such lovely colour rendition, but it
    might be worth pointing out they are both made by Cosina!!

    (Funny ole world, ain't it? :)
    Keith G, Apr 19, 2009
  11. Keith G

    Bruce Guest

    Cosina make some real junk, but the Voigtländer lenses offer great
    quality at low prices (I have used several with my Leica M outfit) and
    the Cosina-made Carl Zeiss lenses are simply superb.

    You just need to avoid the Cosina branded lenses for SLRs, which are
    almost all atrocious, with the possible exception of the 100mm f/3.5
    macro which is at least sharp. It was even made as a camera brand lens
    for both Canon and Pentax, in order to offer a cheap alternative to
    their own 100mm macro lenses.
    Bruce, Apr 19, 2009
  12. Keith G

    Bruce Guest

    Bruce, Apr 19, 2009
  13. Keith G

    Keith G Guest

    I've never really been tempted by 'off-brand' lenses before these latest
    'Voigtlander' and 'Carl Zeiss' offerings, despite I know many 'branded
    lenses' are made by the likes of somebody like Tomioka in any case!

    See how many different names the 55/1.2 M42 has worn over the years:
    Keith G, Apr 19, 2009
  14. Keith G

    Bruce Guest

    Many Nikon lenses have been made by Tokina, Cosina and Tamron., and
    still are. Sometimes it is complete lenses, sometimes whole assemblies,
    sometimes just the lens elements. Japanese industry tends to work with
    many subcontractors and suppliers and companies that appear to compete
    often collaborate behind the scenes.

    I'm particularly pleased that, following the discontinuation of the Carl
    Zeiss range of lenses formerly made in Japan for Yashica/Contax cameras,
    Cosina have stepped in to make the next generation for Nikon, Canon and
    Pentax mounts.

    I will soon buy an 85mm f/1.4 in Nikon mount to replace the superb Carl
    Zeiss (Contax) item I use on my Canon EOS 5D (via an adapter) and it
    will be nice to have the choice of Nikon or Carl Zeiss. There is also a
    Korean SamYang but I don't think that will enter the reckoning.
    Bruce, Apr 19, 2009
  15. Keith G

    Keith G Guest

    Sure, it's no different with stuff like computer components - the 'brands'
    are interchangeable on many things like disk drives with Sony building some
    drives badged Hitachi and vice versa.

    It is being punted as an excercise in genuine enthusiasm by Kobayashi rather
    than purely *commercial* - but how much that stands up in reality is
    anyone's guess...??

    Do you get any communication through the adaptor? If not, why not consider
    the Nikon 'Blow Up' 85/1.8 - I've got one and they are very nice with good
    colour, nice bokeh and superb CA control. (One of the things that would be
    nice with a 35mm film body is to get the proper FL of my lenses!)

    There is also a
    I've seen pix of those - wouldn't have me reaching for my wallet, I hafta
    Keith G, Apr 20, 2009
  16. Keith G

    Bruce Guest

    Anyone who has met Kobayashisan will speak of the man's almost rabid
    enthusiasm for classic lenses and film cameras.

    No, none. The adapter has a chip to "fool" the EOS camera's CPU into
    thinking it has an EF lens fitted, and that enables focus confirmation
    through the AF system. But it isn't accurate.

    Would that be the AF Nikkor or an earlier AI or AIS design? I have
    owned a couple of the AF Nikkors and they are nice lenses - sharp
    enough, with bokeh that's not too bad. But the AI version was supposed
    to be a gem.

    If you can stretch to a D700 you can obtain the true angle of view (the
    focal length doesn't change) and at the same time get the ultimate low
    noise DSLR with exceptional performance at high ISOs. I love mine. It's
    almost good enough to make me want to give up using film. :>)

    Its USP is an f/1.4 for the price of an f/1.8 Nikkor. Despite that, I
    don't expect it will convince too many Nikon users to spend their cash.
    But I might be proved wrong ... it does happen quite often. ;-)
    Bruce, Apr 20, 2009
  17. Keith G

    Keith G Guest

    Refreshing in this day and age, where Profit Is All for most people, if that
    is the case!

    That's no good then.

    No, the 85/1.8 I've got is the earlier non-AI version. (I prefer the 'Nippon
    Kogaku' early versions with scallopy focussing/aperture rings - they are
    better built and have greater 'Zen'!! ;-)

    I don't take too much notice about the the differences between different
    version of the Nikkors, generally - my 'picture taking' hardly approaches
    the limits of their capability!! I have two versions of the 105/2.5 which
    are as significant as being two completely different designs (Sonnar and
    Gauss) and I can barely split them - I would have to say the earlier
    'Sonnar' version has the (v. slight) edge, if pushed!!

    Here, compare for yourself with these (boring, nowt special) unprocessed,
    fullsize test shots that I whacked off for a quick and dirty comparison a
    while back:


    [Korean SamYang]

    I saw something about them which hinted that the actual lens someone had
    received looked cosmetically different to one he had seen in a picture
    beforehand (?) and that that had given him some cause for concern. I didn't
    see any comments about how the lens performed though - tbh, it was such a
    non-interest/non-issue for me at the time I wasn't really paying attention!
    Keith G, Apr 20, 2009
  18. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    Buy a decent meter and spend some time with it. Even with digital it's a
    useful tool. You don't even have to spend all that much - a tenner will
    get you something usable on the 'bay.
    Then you can be sure of not wasting film, no matter what lenses you use
    and why restrict yourself to only those lenses that will interact with
    your cameras?
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 20, 2009
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