Film nod in a movie

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Paul Furman, Feb 24, 2009.

  1. Paul Furman

    Annika1980 Guest

    We'll blame your sloppy quoting practices on the confusion.
     
    Annika1980, Mar 1, 2009
    #41
    1. Advertisements

  2. Paul Furman

    Annika1980 Guest


    I never understood the need to recycle aluminum. Are aluminum trees
    in danger of extinction?
    The only obvious benefit is to companies who make the cans.
     
    Annika1980, Mar 1, 2009
    #42
    1. Advertisements

  3. Your reply would be funny (as in "intentionally humorous") if it wasn't
    so wrong. Aluminum recycling is what a policy wonk might call the
    "low-hanging fruit" of environmental improvement, because it's so dang
    easy to do: just melt the stuff down and make it into something else, as
    opposed to recycling paper and plastics which requires lots of
    processing, producing toxic byproducts, etc.

    I know something about this because the recycling business where I was
    trying to get a job has its own aluminum foundry, right in the heart of
    West Oakland, where they take aluminum cans, cylinder heads, lawn
    furniture, etc., melt it down and turn it into ingots, complete with
    metallurgical assays, ready to be turned into new shiny things.


    --
    Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order
    of use of the word "****" is incapable of writing a good summary
    and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
    This is an inviolable rule.

    - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
    (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 1, 2009
    #43
  4. Paul Furman

    Bill Boyce Guest

    hehe deserves a rim-shot!
     
    Bill Boyce, Mar 1, 2009
    #44
  5. Paul Furman

    Bill Boyce Guest

    nice response
     
    Bill Boyce, Mar 1, 2009
    #45
  6. Paul Furman

    Annika1980 Guest

    I know it's easy to do. And while there are many claims made about how
    recycling aluminum cans saves millions of barrels of oil per year, the
    true benefit is not to the environment, but to the companies who make
    the aluminum. It is much more profitable for them to buy the recycled
    stuff. It's all about the Benjamins, baby!

    Of course, the greenies never mention how many barrels of oil are
    consumed in the act of recycling. Our city used to have one curbside
    pickup for recyclables per week, but they've now cut it back to once a
    month. They are hoping that you'll load up your cans in your SUV and
    take all your stuff to a designated drop-off center, burning many
    gallons of gas and polluting the air in the process, of course.

    BTW, your post is off-topic.
     
    Annika1980, Mar 2, 2009
    #46
  7. Absolutely, for the manufacturer: they want cheaper raw materials. This
    is one of those few instances when their interests coincide with what's
    good for the environment. "Win-win" (that expression makes me gag!)
    Now that is absolutely true, worth pointing out, and ought to be brought
    into every discussion of environmental policy as a reality check.
    So was yours, but who's keeping track?


    --
    Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order
    of use of the word "****" is incapable of writing a good summary
    and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
    This is an inviolable rule.

    - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
    (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 2, 2009
    #47
  8. No, not original materials: what do you think happens to all those
    shiploads of scrap metal that get sent over there? They melt it down and
    make new stuff out of it. New goods from *our* recycled scrap, sent back
    and sold to us.


    --
    Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order
    of use of the word "****" is incapable of writing a good summary
    and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
    This is an inviolable rule.

    - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
    (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 2, 2009
    #48
  9. Paul Furman

    Doug Jewell Guest

    As I'm sure you are aware, bauxite (the raw ore aluminium is
    made from) is extremely plentiful. The reason why recycling
    is a good idea is that it takes a tremendous amount of
    energy to convert bauxite into metallic aluminium.
    Well if you believe in all that greenhouse hoo-haa then i
    guess the reduced energy use and consequentially the lower
    CO2 emissions is an advantage. But you are right - depending
    on the cost of energy, it can be cheaper to recycle
    aluminium than to refine more.
     
    Doug Jewell, Mar 2, 2009
    #49
  10. Paul Furman

    tony cooper Guest

    There is also the factor that used aluminum products that are not
    recycled end up in a landfill. The area of land taken up by a
    landfill is unusable for other purposes for this and some future
    generations.
     
    tony cooper, Mar 2, 2009
    #50
  11. You really don't know much, do you?

    Bauxite doesn't just get melted; the reason aluminum takes so much
    energy to produce is that it must be electrolytically separated from
    bauxite, which takes *tons* of energy, much more than that required to
    simply remelt it and cast new ingots. *Tons* more.


    --
    Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order
    of use of the word "****" is incapable of writing a good summary
    and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
    This is an inviolable rule.

    - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
    (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 3, 2009
    #51
  12. Paul Furman

    Doug Jewell Guest

    Refining bauxite into metallic aluminium requires
    approximately 20 times the amount of energy that would be
    required to produce the same volume by recycling.
     
    Doug Jewell, Mar 3, 2009
    #52
  13. Paul Furman

    Doug Jewell Guest

    Oh yeah - approximately 14kWH of electrical energy is
    required to convert alumina into 1kg of metallic aluminium.
     
    Doug Jewell, Mar 3, 2009
    #53
  14. Keep in mind that we're discussing this in a newsgroup, not at an
    academic symposium.


    --
    Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order
    of use of the word "****" is incapable of writing a good summary
    and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
    This is an inviolable rule.

    - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
    (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 4, 2009
    #54
  15. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    Nonsense.
    Our trash service includes recycling and compost bins and that is surely
    a money loser for them because poor people comb the streets on trash day
    eve nights gathering the stuff to sell for cash. And there's whole
    fleets of compact pickup trucks with these huge built-up structures they
    stack full of cardboard to sell (not out of liberal guilt):
    http://edgehill.net/California/Bay-Area/San-Francisco/gritty/6-28-07-traffic/pg1pc2
    http://edgehill.net/California/Bay-Area/San-Francisco/gritty/8-1-07-chinatown/pg3pc17
    In Taiwan, folks are religious about recycling every little plastic bag,
    partly because trash service isn't cheap but also it just plain makes sense.

    --
    Paul Furman
    www.edgehill.net
    www.baynatives.com

    all google groups messages filtered due to spam
     
    Paul Furman, Mar 8, 2009
    #55
  16. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    Yeah and what the hell, why not do more strip mining for these
    materials? Nature is disposable, right? Who needs it when you just sit
    at home watering your lawn anyways...
     
    Paul Furman, Mar 8, 2009
    #56
  17. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    Paul Furman, Mar 8, 2009
    #57
  18. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    Paul Furman, Mar 8, 2009
    #58
  19. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    Paul Furman, Mar 8, 2009
    #59
  20. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    Well then he's wrong too.
    You didn't quote it in a way that anyone could decipher.
     
    Paul Furman, Mar 9, 2009
    #60
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.