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  1. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    I already told you, they recycle religiously in China. Only Americans
    would be so stupid as to pay to throw away useful materials.

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    Paul Furman
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    Paul Furman, Mar 9, 2009
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  2. Remember, too, that we don't give all those scrap materials to China,
    India, Vietnam, Korea, etc.: they *buy* it from us. For instance,
    there's a *huge* scrap-metal operation here in Oakland that ships many,
    many tons of steel and aluminum over there. They do it because they can
    make money at it, not because the gov't tells them to. (Of course,
    government mandates to recycle do help here, but the driving force is
    the price they can get for their "product".)

    And pray tell, in what way do you think the competition from China,
    India, Korea, etc., is "unfair"? All they're doing is beating us at our
    own game (played by slashing labor costs to the bone, ignoring
    environmental regs as much as possible, etc.)


    --
    Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
    mostly pears.
    Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
    the product.
    Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

    (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 9, 2009
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  3. Paul Furman

    Noons Guest

    David Nebenzahl wrote,on my timestamp of 9/03/2009 11:51 AM:
    Rightyouare. From now on, you'll live under a banana tree and drive a mule to
    work. You won't have ANY social medicine whatsoever, no assistance on third age
    or retirement either: when you get old and unable to work, your option will be
    to push daisies. You'll get one week unpaid holiday per year. Ah yes: did I
    mention you'll work in whatever conditions the employer decides: if it's cold,
    bring warm clothes, if it's hot bring your own fan, this is not a charity or a
    hotel.

    Hey: if you think it's such a great way to run a society, why don't you go all
    the way and share their ENTIRE modus operandi?
    Or is it only for the convenient outright slave work exploration bits that it's
    all peaches and roses?
     
    Noons, Mar 9, 2009
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  4. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    Businesses don't throw cans away, individual Americans do because we can
    afford it. That doesn't mean it isn't stupid and wasteful or that it
    doesn't have an environmental cost. In any case, you are out of date,
    working on old assumptions.
     
    Paul Furman, Mar 9, 2009
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  5. You're an idiot.

    Check out this company: http://customalloy.com

    I know about them because I tried to get a job there (and failed, long
    story). They have an aluminum foundry right here in West Oakland where
    they melt down all kinds of aluminum, including cans, make it into fresh
    ingots (each one assayed for metal content), then ship them off to
    people who make new stuff out of them.

    They don't curse those gol-durn environ-meddler recycling laws: they
    *applaud* them. They make money doing this.


    --
    Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
    mostly pears.
    Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
    the product.
    Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

    (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 20, 2009
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  6. "I suspect it's a loser". I suppose that comes from all that exhaustive
    research you've evidently done on the subject, right?

    I *told* you that it's not a loser. I gave you an example of a
    real-world business that's making *actual money* recycling aluminium,
    melting it down and selling it. (Mostly overseas, as we've discussed
    here.) Aside from glass, aluminum is one of the easiest things on Earth
    to recycle, compared to stuff like plastic or eve paper.


    --
    Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
    mostly pears.
    Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
    the product.
    Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

    (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 20, 2009
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  7. Paul Furman

    Scott W Guest


    Wow, David and I agree on something, Bill is an idiot, at least for
    this subject.

    Here in Hawaii we not only get our deposit back on the cans but we
    also get the scrape value of the cans, everyone wins.

    Recycling cans here is far easier then most states I have been in.
    There is no limit to how many you bring in at a time and they weight
    them to get an close number to the count. I have gotten back close to
    $80, total time at the recycle place was about 5 minutes.

    The power to produce aluminum is huge, it is far better to melt down
    old cans, better for everyone.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Mar 20, 2009
    #67
  8. First of all, they don't just "eke out a living". It's a small
    operation, but they keep a couple dozen full-time employees busy and
    well-paid.

    And they don't just recycle aluminum cans: their scrap piles have
    automobile cylinder heads, lawn chairs, beer kegs, screen doors,
    extrusions, radiators, wiring, aircraft parts, heat sinks, etc., etc.
    And there's no government requirement to recycle any of those things:
    it's just good business not to throw the damn stuff away.

    By the way, the "can companies" have nothing to do with accepting used
    cans: those are brought to a local collection facility, all of which are
    privately-owned businesses so far as I know, who then forward them to
    someone like CASS who can actually melt them down and supply them as raw
    material to manufacturers.


    --
    Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
    mostly pears.
    Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
    the product.
    Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

    (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 20, 2009
    #68
  9. Aha; so the sum total of your argument rests on exactly *one* data
    point, some place you took aluminum cans to "several years" ago and
    weren't greeted joyously

    Not only are you an idiot, you're a lazy idiot.

    And you had the nerve to ask *me* for more credible references. Sheesh.


    --
    Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
    mostly pears.
    Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
    the product.
    Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

    (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 20, 2009
    #69
  10. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    You should see the folks recycling cardboard around here. I'd guess the
    deposit could be removed now.
    Not everything in life is about profitability. It would be cheaper to
    cut off your sewer service & just empty the pipe to the curb but we
    don't do that because it's stupid. If there weren't laws, people would
    do that.
     
    Paul Furman, Mar 25, 2009
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  11. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    It only requires a change of mind. It did take a govt effort and a
    generation or two to convince Americans that wasting raw materials is
    immoral... um stupid... whatever you want to call it. Separating trash
    doesn't cost any significant money... The deposit on cans & bottles
    could be repealed now, though I know what you mean, that it wouldn't be
    easy to repeal and that's messy but life is messy, people are messy.

    If I were to argue this in more detail I would point out the extended
    cost of more mining, more processing costs, needing more fuel... those
    are real costs though we may not feel them directly.
     
    Paul Furman, Mar 26, 2009
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