Film scanner

Discussion in 'Scanners' started by JohnM, Sep 24, 2006.

  1. JohnM

    JohnM Guest

    I want to scan some 35mm slides. Lovely pictures, so want quality, to be
    able to create slide shows using powerpont etc rather than old projector.
    Am I best to try to pick up a second hand on e-bay or is it like digital
    cameras where 2 year old technology is obsolete? Plustek Optic Film 7200i
    gets remarkably varied reviews. Ideas?
     
    JohnM, Sep 24, 2006
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    Dick Adams Guest

    2-yr old digital cameras are just fine for most people, but not too
    good for 16x20 inch prints. Huge picture files are not in the best
    interest of people wishing for snapshots.
    My guess is that the "7200i" designation has very little to do with
    the actual performance. The alleged sensor capability (if that's
    what it is) is but one factor, other than the optical and mechanical
    properties.

    For instance, my old HP Photosmart film scanner does a better job
    on 35-mm transparencies than doe my new Canoscan 8400F, compared
    at 2400 dpi settings. The 8400F can go to 3600 dpi. Now there is an
    8600F with more dpi's (but not 8600). Will it be better?

    It would be interesting to know why http://www.betterscanning.com/
    does not like the Plustek 7200i. He probably does not like the Canno-
    scanners either, as he does not produce film holders for them (even
    though they may need better ones).
     
    Dick Adams, Sep 24, 2006
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    theo Guest

    2400ppi at 8/12/16 bit color depth is common from the orphan film
    scanners of eight years past (e.g. my Minolta DSM, acquired via eBay) to
    even the BestBuy budget lines of current flatbeds. HOWEVER any scanner
    not offering dICE should be left on the remainders bin. True, the separate
    travel for the IR sensor does add a significant fraction more time for
    each scan, but it subtracts so much of the tedium and detail from
    post-scan processing dust-spotting. Pay close attention to the
    market-speak of the brands which do not license 'dICE' from (then) ASF /
    (now) Kodak, on if and how and when they do dust cleaning. I like my Epson
    4490 flatbed also.
    Regards,
    Theo
     
    theo, Sep 24, 2006
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  4. JohnM

    jeremy Guest


    He said he wants good scans of his transparencies, and you recommend that he
    NOT get a film scanner???????

    A film scanner is the ONLY way for him to achieve his objectives.
     
    jeremy, Sep 25, 2006
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  5. JohnM

    JohnM Guest

    Ummm ..... interesting and rather conflicting advice ... becoming
    increasingly lost .....for example ..... I discover Digital ICE does not
    work with Kodachrome!!! (some of my slides are Kodachrome) ..... oddly the
    Epson Perfection 4990 has aDMax of 4.00 .... thought this was important
    ...... e-bay has a number of Nikons etc, but prices get silly nealy up to new
    price!
     
    JohnM, Oct 1, 2006
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  6. JohnM

    theo Guest

    I see cautionary admonitions about diving into these precision
    perfectionist time-devouring waters because the dedicated hardware of
    recent vintage is more capable, and you would otherwise not see what be
    missing or blurred with a new £89 flatbed.
    So resign yourself to many tedious hours of finding and blurring the
    spots and dust, if the purpose of the image demands such time. Many
    posters across these NGs comment certain emulsion batchs of Kodachrome
    across certain years are somewhat more friendly to dICE, and one doubts
    these are merely "the eye of the beholder"
    with Imacons on eBay starting ~$1K used and 4990s ~$5C new, and Imacons
    rating "only" 3.9dMax, one may wonder at the marketing-speak which buries
    the devil in the details - or not disclosed at all.
    Nikon is not the last brand standing and also supporting their current
    and recent legacy products, but almost. Pacific Imaging <scanace.com> has
    several rebranded lines of machines, three of which incorporate dICE. One
    of the three is OEM as Braun Photo Technik Multimag Slidescan 4000,
    rebranded as PIE's PFS 3650. The Braun brand is distributed in the UK in
    brick'n'mortar stores as well as via [whomever].co.uk; check your local
    listings.
    Regards,
    Theo
     
    theo, Oct 1, 2006
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    jeremy Guest

    There is a version of Digital ICE4, which does work with Kodachrome, on at
    least one model of Nikon scanner, but the scanner is expensive.

    If all your film images are Kodachromes, you have few options.
     
    jeremy, Oct 2, 2006
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  8. JohnM

    jeremy Guest


    I did not mean for my post to start an argument over what is considered
    "expensive."

    The OP should go to the Nikon web site, if he is interested in learning
    about their scanners, and he can decide for himself whether the feature set
    is worth the asking price.

    I merely wanted to note that there WAS a Digital ICE version that was
    optimized for Kodachrome slides, and the fact that at least one
    manufacturer, Nikon, has implemented it within its line-up.
     
    jeremy, Oct 5, 2006
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