Film vs Digital

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Pumper Hinkle, Mar 23, 2008.

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    Peter Guest

    I say welcome. I am somewhat new here myself, but far from bashful.
    Peter, Mar 26, 2008
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    Peter Guest

    Funny, few complain when a painter alters a scene to present a scene of what
    he/she experienced. But, when a photographer does the same thing a storm is
    Peter, Mar 26, 2008
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    dj_nme Guest

    IMHO, it's because photography was held up to be a journalistic,
    impartial recorder of the scene in front of it.
    Anyone who has any idea about photography already knows this isn't the
    cse, you must make all sorts of decisions before the shutter is tripped
    and changing any of those could have totally altered the resultant image.
    The stereotypical "joe sixpack" (whether he really exists or not) is
    perceived to have this notion that photography is an impartial recording
    medium that is used by the news media and other records of history.
    If you start mucking around with photography and photographs too much,
    it's probably seen as interfering with history or something equally as daft.
    dj_nme, Mar 27, 2008
  4. Never had the pleasure of cold pizza or cold Chinese food. And since
    when is Chinese food junk, comparable to Big Mac?
    What did she stuff it with?
    Roy Jose Lorr, Mar 27, 2008
  5. Digital diapers to the rescue.
    Roy Jose Lorr, Mar 27, 2008
  6. No. I'm saying that gimmick has replaced experiment.
    Roy Jose Lorr, Mar 27, 2008
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    Peter Guest

    Crab meat and bread crumbs seasoned with oregano, basil and butter.
    Peter, Mar 27, 2008
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    Peter Guest

    OK, that's a fair comment. I suspect that since the first cave drawings
    appeared, some no talents have tried to replace art with "gee whiz" special
    effects. Simply because some do this, is no reason to try to socially ban
    all such attempts.
    As a prior poster pointed out, photography is often thought of strictly as a
    medium for recording a snapshot in time. According to this line, any
    manipulation is heresy. Whether and to what extent I accept manipulation
    depends upon the purpose for creating the image.
    Similarly there is a vast difference between a "I've been there" postcard
    and an artistic interpretation. If the latter includes a manipulation, so
    be it.
    Peter, Mar 27, 2008

  9. Art is a window to the soul, as cave paintings express so well. When
    manipulation is the rule, art is soulless cartoon fantasy.
    Roy Jose Lorr, Mar 27, 2008
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    Peter Guest

    What painting is not a manipulation of color and form?
    Peter, Mar 27, 2008
  11. All of life is a constant attempt to manipulate environment. When
    manipulation is the primary means to an artistic visual representation
    of inner spirit, which all art must be, the end result is outright lie
    which nowadays comes out as soulless cartoon fantasy. The reason
    photography is less than art is that what it depicts is experienced
    second hand, its creator cannot see to engage the subject with the
    spirit, the tool stands in the way. Thus, gimmick substitutes not only
    for experiment but for true emotion and spiritual connection, not only
    in the perpetrator of the artifact but in those who view the travesty as
    Roy Jose Lorr, Mar 27, 2008
  12. You mean the technology is now over your head.
    Floyd L. Davidson, Mar 27, 2008
  13. A cave painting is nothing but manipulation. That *is*
    where the "art" exists (in the manipulation). Without
    artistic manipulation, what is left is "cartoon fantasy".
    Floyd L. Davidson, Mar 27, 2008
  14. I guess that is true when the technology is over your head.
    Floyd L. Davidson, Mar 27, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    What an utter load of bollocks.
    Rob Morley, Mar 27, 2008
  16. Spoken like a true believer in fantasy.
    Roy Jose Lorr, Mar 27, 2008
  17. So you pray.
    Roy Jose Lorr, Mar 27, 2008
  18. The cave painting was not manipulation of the work itself but a
    spiritual attempt to manipulate nature. It was more in the nature of an
    Roy Jose Lorr, Mar 27, 2008
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    Peter Guest

    Your premise about all of life is not supportable.

    Art, even cartoon art is in the eye of the beholder. Don't try to dictate
    what is and isn't art.

    If I use manipulation as a means to interpret my emotion, that is my
    expression. It is yours to like or not. If you reject my expression simply
    because it is a manipulation, I would think your view is rather narrow.
    I you reject it because you don't like it, so be it. but please don't set an
    artificial and unsupportable standard.

    Do you think that AA's use of the zone system was not a "manipulation."
    Peter, Mar 27, 2008
  20. How so?
    You confuse "dictate" with "opinion". Feel good relativism suits you
    but it doesn't suit nature.
    I don't reject anything because it is manipulated since I believe
    manipulation is a natural human characteristic (cognizance demands
    judgment). Relativism is a busted concept, a cowardly apologetic for
    base desire. Everything is not good no matter the situation and art is
    not an exception. The outcomes of relativistic reasoning are usually bad.
    Denial is another natural human characteristic.
    He described a pre existing phenomenon in nature.

    The arrogant self absorption of mere mortals is astounding.
    Roy Jose Lorr, Mar 27, 2008
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