filter/lens protection for Nikon D70 18-70 standard Kit lens

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Mals, Jul 17, 2004.

  1. Mals

    Wayne Moses Guest

    Hmmm .... did they say a Nikon filter?

    I don't think that they care a hoot which filter you put on your lenses.
    They don't make enough on filters for this to make sense. They more than
    make up for any filter sales losses on the sales of their lenses .... which
    most would agree are superb and are best for their Nikon bodies.

    I for one would not buy Nikon filters unless they are priced reasonably.


    Nikon D70
    AF-S Nikkor 18-70mm f3.5/4.5G ED
    AF Nikkor 70-300mm f4/5.6G
    Wayne Moses, Jul 19, 2004
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    BillB Guest

    Ah, yet another supercilious suggestion from the photo-curmudgeon.
    As usual, best to be taken with a grain of salt, since the main
    intention more often than not seems less to inform than to insult.
    BillB, Jul 19, 2004
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    C J Campbell Guest

    Of course, I use a haze filter anyway -- I do a fair amount of aerial
    photography. I would hate to try cleaning a lens after a bug hits it at 130
    C J Campbell, Jul 19, 2004
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    Mals Guest

    Thank you all for the extensive discussion.

    Now, I am to decide between a C/P, UV filter and/or a haze filter. The
    choice needs to be between the former two, I believe.
    Protecting the lens does appear like the right thing, although there is a
    risk of losing picture quality.

    Perhaps you could also quickly point me in the direction of literature which
    can help me decide whether I should go for C/P or UV filter.

    Thanks once again!
    Mals, Jul 19, 2004
  5. The guy suggested putting a polarizer on the lens ALL THE TIME. It's a
    stupid idea.
    Randall Ainsworth, Jul 19, 2004
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    D.R. Guest

    Who said "ALL THE TIME"? Creative reading, huh?
    D.R., Jul 19, 2004
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    BillB Guest

    There are many ways to reply. Some of them might even be
    characterized as being "stupid" even if they provide correct but
    insufficient information. You had the advantage of seeing several
    different suggestions and could have responded more usefully by
    comparing them, pointing out limitations and tradeoffs that might
    have to be made, letting the OP and others decide what's best for
    each of them, which will vary from person to person as well as when
    the conditions pictures will be taken in change. For instance, I
    can imagine certain circumstances where the lighting is so bright
    that better pictures would be obtained only by using a much
    darker/denser ND filter instead of a CP filter.

    It may be a stupid idea to leave a CP filter on all the time, but
    why not explain why and when it would be better not to use one,
    because much of the time it won't materially reduce the quality of
    the pictures (and I'm talking about for most people - not for
    expert, perfectionist photographers that would notice small
    differences), and some of the time it will actually improve the
    pictures. Anyone taking the trouble to understand why will learn
    more about photography and will be able to take better pictures
    whether a CP filter is or isn't used. And if they (or the OP) don't
    care to immerse themselves in such technicalities, you could have
    simply suggested to remove or replace the CP filter when lighting is
    poor. It's clear that your photo knowledge is quite substantial,
    but you too often choose to use it not to help people, but to insult
    them. I'd have thought that providing assistance and being helpful
    would be more rewarding. In your case maybe not. But try it. You
    might like it.
    BillB, Jul 19, 2004
  8. A glimmer of hope in what was becoming a quagmire of venom.
    Well said, BillB !

    Dennis Bradley, Jul 19, 2004

  9. You don't want a CirPol on your lens unless you are shooting through glass,
    water or are trying to reduce reflections. Otherwise you are losing light!
    This is a bad thing because it means that you would either need to increase
    your ISO setting or drop your shutter speed or open your aperture. I don't
    need a circular Polarizer except very rarely.

    A good UV filter is good for protection. Then you are not wiping your lens
    directly all the time. I find that there are many occasions when you can get
    condensation on your lens that you would rather be wiping a filter than the
    actual lens.

    The best filters have coatings to reduce reflections between the filter and
    lens. The best filters are usually by brands like Hoya and B&W. Hoya's HMC
    filters are very good. Be careful about getting their "Pro" filters because
    they have a very shallow lip and you won't be able to secure your lens cap
    any more. I use the Pro Filters on my video equipment because the lens
    cover attaches to the hood.
    Mark Kovalcson, Jul 19, 2004
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    D.R. Guest

    A circular polarizer enables you to get insanely fantastic deep blue skys with
    super white clouds. It works well for black'n'white also. Only rarely do I use
    one for cutting reflections. Pretty much all of my sunny day landscapes use one
    where possible.
    D.R., Jul 19, 2004
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    Lisa Allen Guest

    Wow Mals- you are going to have a record running thread here in no time !
    You've already heard my .02 on why .. I prefer what I use- And a lot of good
    advice from great people.
    I just wanted to ask you what you intend or most like to make photographs of
    That might help you in you buying decision to know weather or not you'd
    benefit from the suggestions of other things like the polarizer, nd filters
    etc.. but then again seen as how you are just simply asking about a
    protective filter I think maybe some of us have overloaded you with other
    things ? A majority ( not all ) of photographers-amateur, hobbyist and pro
    alike- find that at some point the need the use of ND's , polarizers, find
    they like the effects of warming filters etc.. but if that's something which
    is beyond your comprehension at this point- just flat out don't worry about
    it ! you'll find the need and ask for assistance when you do . Any filter
    which will make you loose f/stops to have on as an every day filter is kind
    of like making things difficult for yourself when you are trying to figure
    them out in the 1st place....or at least I would think so ? To each is own-
    good luck !
    Lisa Allen, Jul 19, 2004
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    Mals Guest

    Thank you all! Certainly a lot for me to digest. And Lisa now I am trying to
    shoot for the record. :)

    The C/P usage sounds interesting! Very light skies indeed are not as
    pleasing as blue skies... that said I need to get there from an expertise
    perspective. I suppose I will get a UV filter to start with. And I guess I
    will have the challenge of figuring out the f/stops when I am trying to
    learn them in the first place. I might try to use the filter and try without
    it too.

    I did hear that occasional cleaning of the lens with appropriate solutions
    and brushes is not likely to scratch the lens...

    Thanks again!
    Mals, Jul 20, 2004
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    Wayne Moses Guest

    It is not something I would do, but I wouldn't call his idea 'stupid'
    either. It is not worth the negativity that could ensue.

    Nikon D70
    AF-S Nikkor 18-70mm f3.5/4.5G ED
    AF Nikkor 70-300mm f4/5.6G
    Wayne Moses, Jul 20, 2004
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    Chips Guest

    After I got a couple new lenses, I went into a camera store close to me,
    (Simon's), and the lady showed me different lense filters. She showed me the
    difference between the "cheap pieces of glass" and the good quality coated
    UV lense filters. Visibly, quite a difference. So I got a good one. The way
    I look at it, it's better to scratch a $25 filter than a $1,000 lense. Hey,
    accidents can happen.

    Nikon might make pretty good ones as well.

    So for yourself, go look and compare.

    Any piece of glass collects a film after awhile. Just go check the
    windshield in your car or any window in your house, inside or outside. A
    filter will collect the lion's share of that gunk.

    Chips, Jul 20, 2004
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    C J Campbell Guest

    Sky color is easily adjusted digitally. In fact, you can do a much better
    job than a C/P filter.
    C J Campbell, Jul 20, 2004
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    user Guest

    Just remember that a polariser only really deepens the sky colour at 90
    degrees to the sun and with wide angle lenses you can end up with an
    uneven sky because the lens is catching more that just the part of the
    sky that is at 90 degrees to the sun. And you will loose a stop or more.
    You also don't always need a circular pola, I use a linear pola with
    good effect. But either way it is not a good choice if you are wanting
    to leave a filter in place to protect the lens. A UV is the best choice
    and you will not be able to detect any loss in image quality if you buy
    a good quality filter. As to whether to use such a filter at all, it
    really depends on your type of work. I use UV filters on my lenses
    because I do mostly landscapes especially seascapes and I live in a very
    windy place with lots of dust blowing around. Without the the filters I
    would have nasty sea spray all over my front element and I would be
    cleaning it so often often I would have scratched it by now and I would
    rather throw away a scratched filter than a lens. But if you, for
    instance, work mostly in the studio then no filter should be needed for
    user, Jul 25, 2004
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    Hunt Guest

    Besides the B+W, Tiffen & Hoya, I'd used the Nikon UV-1b for years on all of
    my film Nikkors. Back then, the extra bump in warmth was what I wanted and it
    had slightly more UV cut. Nowadays, the 1b is probably not warranted because
    of color correction in camera, but Nikon's filters were as good as any I ever
    used in both optical properties, and construction - probably made by B+W,
    Hoya, or Tiffen :)

    Hunt, Jul 26, 2004
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    Hunt Guest

    Slight correction. I should have said Skylight 1b, not UV-1b. Duh?
    Hunt, Jul 26, 2004
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