Finally gettong on the wagon and getting a digital slr, advice please.

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by zanpachi, Jul 4, 2006.

  1. zanpachi

    zanpachi Guest

    Hi all.

    I am planning to get my first digital slr!
    I've been using my med. format as point and shoot, but not efficient.
    This dslr is primarily for point and shoot and a little lighting test
    camera.

    Should i get the oly evolt 500 with the 14-45mm or the nikon d50 with
    the 18-55?

    The max i will print with this camera is 8x10".
    Which one has a larger sensor area?
    Is the 8mp of the oly better than the 6mp of the d50?
    Focusing, which one is better?


    Is there a digital slr that is less than $500?
    thanks
     
    zanpachi, Jul 4, 2006
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  2. zanpachi

    Pete D Guest

    Either will do the job but also look at the new Pentax K100D and K110D, I
    think you will like the ergonomics better, even an old stock Pentax *ist Ds
    might work for you and you will like the ergonomics.
     
    Pete D, Jul 4, 2006
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  3. zanpachi

    Tomm101 Guest

    I think there are Pentaxes under $500, reports say decent lens, OK
    results.
    What MF camera are you shooting with? Hassleblads are hard to beat, but
    I have known several pros who have dropped Mamiya 645s and 2 1/4s for
    digital, APS and full frame. Get a Canon 20D or a Nikon D200 and put a
    35f2 on it. You might be surprised. You can use the same lens on a D50,
    or Rebel 350X, but they aren't built nearly as well as the next step
    up. If you are interested in Olympus, the E1 (only 5mp but a good 5mp)
    is going for just about the same as the Oly 500E, it is another well
    made camera, shutter sound on Leica M level.
    With the newer higher end cameras you can think MF quality images not
    35mm.

    Tom
     
    Tomm101, Jul 4, 2006
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  4. zanpachi

    This old Bob Guest

    Good deals on used DSL-R's on ebay.

    See this one

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-Digital-R...QQihZ004QQcategoryZ107896QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
     
    This old Bob, Jul 4, 2006
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  5. zanpachi

    zanpachi Guest

    Thanks for the info

    I use mostly 8x10 cameras, so i bought the mamiya rb 67 for point and
    shoot. However, its not instant enough. My plan is to buy a cheapy dslr
    one now and then wait for 2 or 3 years for another cheapy that can be
    close to MF. Right now, I don't think consumer level digital cams are
    similar to 6x7, at least the canon 5d isn't (i've compared).

    lord, the pentax looks awefully good, my gut feeling is that one cannot
    tell the diff
    between canon, nikon, pentax?

    Thanks for the input.
     
    zanpachi, Jul 4, 2006
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    RichA Guest

    The E-Volt will get you closer to the resolution you are used to with
    your larger
    format cameras (a bit) and if you buy it, consider getting the 40-150
    kit lens as well,
    it's made in Japan (not China) and is sharper than the 14-45, at their
    coincident
    focal lengths. It's also a terrific deal in the two-lens and camera
    body kit.
     
    RichA, Jul 5, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    Pentax is also expected to have a new 10MP camera with IS in the body by the
    end of this year, I plan on buying one of these to use with my DS, hard to
    go past the ergonomics and useability of the Pentaxes IMHO! :)
     
    Pete D, Jul 5, 2006
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  8. zanpachi

    Pete D Guest

    Sadly they are ergonomic disasters.
     
    Pete D, Jul 5, 2006
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  9. Sadly for you; joyfully for me. I tried out both the E-500 and the
    Canon 350D ("XT") and I found the E-500 to be *by far* more comfortable
    to both hold and use for an extended period. It simply felt more
    robust, with a hand grip which was more grabbable and mechanically less
    sharp against my fingers.

    After several months of ownership, no complaints at all about the E-500
    ergonomics! The Canon is comparatively more of a disaster in my
    experience.

    -ben
     
    ben at myselfmusic dot com, Jul 5, 2006
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  10. zanpachi

    Evan Platt Guest

    Way tooo many red flags to touch that one with a 10 foot pole.

    $35 shipping?

    Assuming he's based in New York (he's not) shipping to me in Northern
    California, to be $35 for Priority Mail, the package would weigh 18
    pounds.

    $7 Insurance? Insurance is based on selling price.
    $499 insurance is $6.50. Ok, .50 markup there.

    All auction sales are final?

    No warranty.

    12 negatives. TONS of mutually withdrawn feedback.

    I'd stay clear of this seller, and this camera.
     
    Evan Platt, Jul 5, 2006
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  11. zanpachi

    Pete D Guest

    Agree. The 350 is a total disaster and it amazes me that anyone that picks
    one up actually parts with the money.
     
    Pete D, Jul 5, 2006
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    G.T. Guest

    I probably wouldn't buy from this seller, either, but to give the full
    story:

    7852 feedbacks
    99.8% positive
    2 negatives in the last 6 months
    454 positive, 1 neutral, no negatives in the last month
     
    G.T., Jul 5, 2006
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  13. I misunderstood the grandparent post, then. I thought you were saying
    that you felt the Olympus E-500 was an ergonomic disaster.

    -ben
     
    ben at myselfmusic dot com, Jul 5, 2006
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    RichA Guest

    I'd have sworn the XT was designed for women's hands, or perhaps the
    Asian market.
    I saw some poor guy with large hands trying to use one in a camera
    store when it
    just came out, it was pretty sad.
     
    RichA, Jul 6, 2006
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  15. Have you considered waiting for the Pentax 645D? Or, at the other
    end, getting a high-end non-SLR digital?

    I very much doubt that "cheapies" will approach 6x7 quality in two-to-
    three years. To even approach that sort of resolution for a 24x36mm
    sensor will require top quality glass manufactured to state-of-the-art
    tolerances. That's never going to be cheap, even if the sensor cost
    dropped to zero.

    With an APS-C or a 4/3rds format dSLR, you'll hit the diffraction
    limit at either f/8 or f/11 before you match your Mamiya and Velvia.

    Although I'm a Nikon user, for a temporary solution I think either
    Canon or Pentax might be better for you. Canon has shown a willingness
    to bet on a 24x36mm sensor that Nikon has not, so it may get close
    to 6x7 quality faster than Nikon. While either the Pentax or the Nikon
    will let you use some of the bargain-priced manual focus glass that's
    out there, the Pentax gives you far more functionality when using it.
     
    Michael Benveniste, Jul 6, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    I only agree that the E-500 is better than the 350D, tassal.
     
    Pete D, Jul 6, 2006
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