FIRST PORTRAITS WITH THE FAB 5D2!

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Annika1980, Dec 12, 2008.

  1. Annika1980

    Helen Guest



    "..these are simply not particularly good examples and do not deserve
    the
    superlatives that you gush forward with."

    Larry "Rita" Thong seems to think so:

    "WOW! Simply breathtaking! The hound looks so good. I'm not sure
    about the
    Divs, though. I can't wait to see the video. Also, let us see some
    Spike
    shots as he's ready to pose for the new cam."
     
    Helen, Dec 13, 2008
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  2. C'mon Helen! Quoting "Rita"/"Larry" on anything.... really....He's
    setting you guys up.
     
    John McWilliams, Dec 13, 2008
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  3. Annika1980

    Helen Guest


    Yeah I know, which is why I thought Pete should take it up with
    "Rita", because he seems to relish in online arguments and he does it
    so well. I don't come here to argue and I've grown very tired of it.
    As I said before I wish I never posted in the first place.
     
    Helen, Dec 14, 2008
    #23
  4. Annika1980

    Noons Guest

    Jurgen wrote,on my timestamp of 14/12/2008 9:38 AM:


    My God. He calls that "awesome"...
    I'm sorry, but it's not even clever. And there is a lot more
    wrong about dslrs with video than just the live af.
    I have yet to see ONE video clip taken with ANY of these dslrs
    that doesn't show wobbly lines when the camera is moved.
    And a moving camera is the hallmark of someone who
    knows what video is all about.

    But over the next few months we're gonna be treated to "awesome"
    BORING video clips from stationary "web-cams" that not even a
    beginner would dare take with ANY video camera.

    And we're gonna be told how "awesome" they are by this demented
    brigade. Get ready.


    WHY would anyone buy a5d2 for its movie capabilities alone?
    ANY average video camera from a supermarket will allow
    one to make BETTER videos than with the 5d2.


    Exactly. Get a proper video camera, not a bastardized
    still camera. Doesn't matter which brand, you'll be able
    to make videos several cuts above all the "web-cam" crap
    we're seeing from the "awesome" 5d2 users!
     
    Noons, Dec 14, 2008
    #24
  5. Annika1980

    Noons Guest

    Helen wrote,on my timestamp of 14/12/2008 11:08 AM:
    So why don't you take a clue and STOP POSTING
    altogether? Everyone could do with less noise
    from the likes of you.
     
    Noons, Dec 14, 2008
    #25
  6. Annika1980

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

    Everything needs balance. It would be unfortunate if the positive posters
    disappeared due to excessive negativism...

    Keep on posting, Helen...

    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 14, 2008
    #26
  7. Annika1980

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    Aw, but how many supermarket vidcams can you put a fisheye lens on, or do
    macro segments with?

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 14, 2008
    #27
  8. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    Or shoot 1080p HD video with?

    The 5D2 is not yet ready to compete with a full-fledged HD camcorder.
    However, it does offer two things that most camcorders don't ....
    1080p and the ability to use wide-aperture lenses for shallower DOF.
    However, it cripples that feature by not allowing you to manually
    adjust exposure (without a few tricks). One reason you've seen lots
    of night videos shot with the 5D2 is that the shallow DOF from a f/
    1.2L lens is only possible at night, unless you use about a .9 ND
    filter.
    My old Canon XL-1 Mini DV recorder was just the opposite. It allowed
    shutter speeds up to 1/15000, but couldn't go down to f/1.2 without an
    expensive lens adapter to use the Canon lenses.

    Ironically, those using other brands of lenses (Zeiss, Nikon, etc)
    with the 5D2 with an adapter DO have full aperture control over the
    5D2 if those lenses have click stops on them for the aperture.

    Dan Chung was one of the first to post an awesome video shot with the
    5D2 and he didn't even use a Canon lens.


    Video aside, I'd like to hear some of the naysayers name another $2700
    still camera that can compete with it.
     
    Annika1980, Dec 14, 2008
    #28
  9. Annika1980

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    Or shoot 1080p HD video with?

    The 5D2 is not yet ready to compete with a full-fledged HD camcorder.
    However, it does offer two things that most camcorders don't ....
    1080p and the ability to use wide-aperture lenses for shallower DOF.
    However, it cripples that feature by not allowing you to manually
    adjust exposure (without a few tricks). One reason you've seen lots
    of night videos shot with the 5D2 is that the shallow DOF from a f/
    1.2L lens is only possible at night, unless you use about a .9 ND
    filter.
    My old Canon XL-1 Mini DV recorder was just the opposite. It allowed
    shutter speeds up to 1/15000, but couldn't go down to f/1.2 without an
    expensive lens adapter to use the Canon lenses.

    Ironically, those using other brands of lenses (Zeiss, Nikon, etc)
    with the 5D2 with an adapter DO have full aperture control over the
    5D2 if those lenses have click stops on them for the aperture.

    Dan Chung was one of the first to post an awesome video shot with the
    5D2 and he didn't even use a Canon lens.


    Video aside, I'd like to hear some of the naysayers name another $2700
    still camera that can compete with it.


    Well, depending on what you are shooting, you could also use a long lens and
    shoot at the higher end of the range. Things would get compressed a bit.
    But, for a number of situations, like a bird in a nest, junior getting ready
    to swing a baseball bat, an elk grazing in a clearing, somebody walking
    along a path, babes on the beach, etc, I think you could get some pretty
    good blending going on in the background.

    Good Luck,
    Dudley
    ..
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 14, 2008
    #29
  10. Annika1980

    Noons Guest

    Dudley Hanks wrote,on my timestamp of 14/12/2008 12:48 PM:

    Nothing. Noise generation on the other hand is bothersome.
    It would be even more fortunate if some
    posters developed a clue and started posting
    that makes sense, instead of the usual inane drivel.


    You call what she does "posting"?
    It figures...
     
    Noons, Dec 14, 2008
    #30
  11. Annika1980

    Noons Guest

    Larry Thong wrote,on my timestamp of 14/12/2008 11:45 AM:
    Actually, I am not. My video camera
    is ten times better than that 5d2 crap.
    And it's a real video cam, not a web cam.
     
    Noons, Dec 14, 2008
    #31
  12. Annika1980

    Noons Guest

    Annika1980 wrote,on my timestamp of 14/12/2008 2:28 PM:

    You mean the manual aperture control lenses
    I've been hoarding are now gonna shoot up in value?
    Ah, well...
    LOL!

    Don't worry, it'll happen soon enough.
     
    Noons, Dec 14, 2008
    #32
  13. Annika1980

    Jurgen Guest

    I think after seeing a few 'clips' from all of these DSLRs I'm inclined
    to agree with you about the video camera. I've got an old 'steady-cam'
    gyro from my film days. If I use this and a real video camera I know
    with certainty I can achieve what I want. I was just hoping to get
    double duty from a camera like this.

    I should have known I guess, that you only get what you pay for with
    this stuff. Still, I think the images he posted are pretty good. I
    particularly like the way he used a bounce to light it and got
    reflections on the wall from the baubles. Not sure about the eye shot.

    I don't know what it is with you Noons that you can't give credit where
    it's due. Even though I think he could have got just as good a shot with
    an old D60. Bret did after all agree that Internet junkies will never
    see the difference in quality. At least his lighting technique is
    getting better.
     
    Jurgen, Dec 14, 2008
    #33
  14. Annika1980

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    I'm sure that's what all the dictators say, just before they shut down the
    independant newspapers...
    One poster's inane drivel is another's compliment. You do understand that
    it isn't a human rights abuse to offer up a compliment, don't you?

    Helen's cheery messages afford a perfect counterweight to your downright
    drudgery...

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 14, 2008
    #34
  15. Annika1980

    Noons Guest

    Atheist Chaplain wrote,on my timestamp of 14/12/2008 11:04 PM:
    No, it isn't. A point in time observation
    means nothing.
     
    Noons, Dec 14, 2008
    #35
  16. Annika1980

    Noons Guest

    Jurgen wrote,on my timestamp of 14/12/2008 6:25 PM:
    Dude, can you understand basic English?

    Yes?

    Good. Then go back to Bret's nitial post and check it out.
    In it, in very basic English, he says he did NOT
    take that video: it's from someone else.

    Capice?

    So, what the heck are you getting off on accusing me
    of deriding "his" video, when CLEARLY,by his
    OWN admission, it's NOT his?

    Shit, but you people don't fucking READ, do you?
     
    Noons, Dec 14, 2008
    #36
  17. Annika1980

    Noons Guest

    Dudley Hanks wrote,on my timestamp of 14/12/2008 7:00 PM:


    And I'm sure I don't give a flying pluck about
    "freedom of speech" in the case of a known Usenet troll.
    I reserve that sort of "freedoms indignation" for cases that
    deserve real attention.

    Of course, you can waste time and effort with Usenet trolls
    yourself. I'm sure that's exactly the sort of attitude that
    has allowed that moron Bush to go on for so long.
    Hint: anywhere else, it's called apathy and lack of
    concentration.

    Of course I do. It doesn't make it any less moronic
    in Helen's case. Which is rather the point.

    Hey, we "counterweight" each other. See? There's
    your "perfect balance".

    At least we do something. You do nothing but post off
    topic and show no photos anywhere. Good boy, now:
    back to bed.
     
    Noons, Dec 14, 2008
    #37
  18. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    Three things you should know about Dudley, you fucking idiot.
    1. He lives in Canada. Bush is in the USA, ya know.
    2. Dudley has shown us more interesting photos than you have.
    3. Dudley is blind.
     
    Annika1980, Dec 14, 2008
    #38
  19. You could always start, and set and example..

    Riiiiggghhhhtttt.
    Well said. Although there are some good discussions, less than 20% here.
     
    John McWilliams, Dec 14, 2008
    #39
  20. Annika1980

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    If I haven't shown any photos, why have you criticised my work?

    2Dinos, ring a bell?
    Jet fighters, if I didn't post it, why did you tell me it was crap?

    But, in case you've forgotten, I'll soon be posting some more pics.

    I'll be going to California on January 11 to train with a new guide dog.
    And, I'll take a picture just for you. In fact, I'll tell my new guide who
    I'm taking the picture for, and I'm sure he'll stick his tongue out just for
    spite... :)

    Remember to watch for it.

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 14, 2008
    #40
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