Fishkin Bros. Camera To Go Out Of Business

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Jeremy, Dec 3, 2004.

  1. Jeremy

    Tony Guest

    Better plonk me too because I think you're a little shy of a full deck,
    Jer old bean. You listen to one pathetic story from one store and decide
    that the whole world is going down the tubes because of a change in the way
    pictures are made. That strikes me as being a sure sign of a loser, Jer.
    Have fun with your super eight movie camera, your new AR turntable, and that
    keeno electric typewriter pal -- who knows you might be able to make a
    living as a museum!
     
    Tony, Dec 4, 2004
    #21
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  2. The decline of the specialist business is also happening in other
    fields, not just photography. Consumers are becoming more price
    conscious and less service conscious. A few years ago if a customer
    wanted to buy something he would go to a store where he would get the
    service and advice he wanted, and pay the price they were asking. Then
    the mass merchants set up with the products at lower prices, then the
    internet with prices lower still. These lower prices are sustainable for
    the low cost structure of a mass merchant or an internet retailer, but
    aren't sustainable for a mum & dad retailer with a bricks and mortar
    store who want to give good customer service as well. Instead of valuing
    the extra service these stores were giving him, Joe Consumer just
    thought he was getting ripped off. Now we even see Joe Consumer's who go
    to the Mum & Dad retailers for the expert advice prior to buying (by
    making them believe they are a genuine customer), but then will only buy
    from them if they can match an internet price. The internet merchant who
    is able to provide that super low price, does so without needing to pay
    a knowledgeable salesman, he only pays storemen. He doesn't need to pay
    the high rents for a retail showroom, he only pays cheap warehouse rates
    (or space in his garage). It is this emergence of the no-service,
    cheap-price retailer, coupled with a consumer public that only sees $
    signs, that is killing these stores, not the advent of digital cameras.
     
    Slartibartfast, Dec 4, 2004
    #22
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  3. Jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    Yeah, sounds like you were a real supporter if you went there once or twice a year.
    If they are throwing in the towel, then they have squandered their goodwill.
    This is not solely the plight of small photo shops but the plight of small
    shopkeepers everywhere, most esp. in North America, but also in Europe over the
    past 10 - 15 years.
    I might lament their passing in a philosophical kind of way but the plain facts
    are they appear to have been a little too far from the center of traffic and did
    not adapt quickly enough and smart enough to the times. B&H are situated in a
    very high rent area, yet manage through efficiency to be profitable. They have
    several dozens of employees and a first class operation from all points of view.
    They've invested to stay on top and continue to do so. They are smart merchants.

    I frequent three old style photo stores within 30 minutes of my house. Two of
    them are doing quite well... but they've moved to larger stores, increased their
    wares on display, adapted to digital printing services and continue to support
    E-6 in the store as well Fuji Frontier minilabs (1 has an old Fuji plus a
    Frontier). The 3rd store, which I frequent the most, has not taken the
    opportunity to triple its floorspace, clear out its inventory and re-stock with
    a plethora of new digital cameras. They still do C-41 and a brisk business it
    is... but maintaining their business as is will likely result in their demise.
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 4, 2004
    #23
  4. Jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    Me too please.
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 4, 2004
    #24
  5. Jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    "Supersize me and an extra set of prints please"
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 4, 2004
    #25
  6. Your're right, of course - but I believe most of the posts HAVE been
    philosophical. We're not lamenting the loss of a particular dealer, or
    criticising their business practices; many of us just don't like the
    way the world is changing.

    Back when I was in the business, our store had a gallery and museum
    area, hosted exhibitions and camera club meetings, and had a lounge
    area where we could sit and chat with our regular customers.

    This is no longer possible - it was barely possible then, in the 80's -
    but I don't have to like it.
     
    Scott Schuckert, Dec 4, 2004
    #26
  7. Jeremy

    Tony Guest

    Actually Mom and Pop are long gone. They were replaced by MomCo
    Industries LTD in 1978.
    People ask me why as an advocate of buying locally I don't practice what
    I preach for books or photo equipment. The answer is simple -- I can't.
    There are NO locally owned book stores in my town that have anything like
    what I want. I could go to Borders or Barnes Ignoble but they are no more
    "local" than Amazon or my preferred book shops - The Strand and Powells.
    For local camera gear - I would have to have some very limited needs or
    would have to be willing to wait... and wait... and wait. There is one local
    store here, a small place with modest stock - I give them as much business
    as possible. There is also Wolfe's (ie Ritz) I don't waste time or money on
    them.
    If I want a piece of sheet music or a new method book I turn to the
    internet. None of the local music stores sells sheet music and their
    selection of methods is very limited (read ROCK). If I want an instrument I
    buy locally. When I go into a record store (do they still call them that?) I
    am presented with a huge selection of Brittany CDs. My taste does not run to
    the favs of pubessing teenyboppers so I buy my CDs on the internet. DVDs
    too as I'm not interested in all the tv shows and idiot movies available at
    the local outlets -- which are just as "local" in fact, along with the
    record stores, as Borders and Barnes again. Money spent in Camelot Music
    will go to the chain not back into the local economy save for the minimum
    wage they pay a few people who know nothing about the product they are there
    to ring up (calling it selling would be like referring to making a shopping
    list as writing literature).
     
    Tony, Dec 4, 2004
    #27
  8. Jeremy

    S. Guest


    He plonked you because you dared to make a truthful statement and did not
    get all teary-eyed with his melancholy stumble down memory lane.
     
    S., Dec 4, 2004
    #28
  9. Jeremy

    S. Guest

    I think this isn't entirely correct. Yes I can make pictures at home but
    the greed mongers at HP and Canon have made me realize that every digital
    print costs me 35 cents at home and I can get it done at Sams Club (or Ritz)
    for 15-20 cents.

    S.
     
    S., Dec 4, 2004
    #29
  10. Jeremy

    The Dave© Guest

    'Splain yerself, Lucy. Unless your talking about portrait-looking
    shots, I'm not sure what you mean.
     
    The Dave©, Dec 4, 2004
    #30
  11. Jeremy

    eah20 Guest

    They're not leaving due to the "digital explosion"... they're leaving
    because they're not willing to adapt to the "digital explosion". The camera
    shops around here are filled with customers hanging around the digital
    camera counter looking at the Canon Digital Rebel and others and they're
    willing to pay through the nose for them. Most of the time customers are two
    and three deep at the digital camera counter and it takes a good wait to be
    served.

    Chances are the owners of Fishkin are ready to retire and having to push
    digital gives them a good personal reason to get out, but the opportunities
    clearly exist if they wished to put the effort needed into it.

    Digital cameras are... well... cameras and somebody has to sell and service
    them.
     
    eah20, Dec 5, 2004
    #31
  12. Jeremy

    Annika1980 Guest

    From: "The Dave©"
    I should have written, "unless you can prove you're NOT a pro." If your pics
    look professional they may not print them. Here is their policy:
    ------------------

    Walmart.com will not assist in the copying of a photograph that is signed,
    stamped, or otherwise identified by any photographer or studio as copyrighted
    material, or ANY PHOTGRAPH THAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN TAKEN BY A PROFESSIONAL
    PHOTOGRAPHER OR STUDIO, even if it is not marked with any sort of copyright,
    unless we are presented with a signed Copyright Release. Negatives or digital
    images of a copyrighted image will be retuned to you unprinted and you will be
    provided instructions on how to present Walmart.com with a signed Copyright
    Release.
     
    Annika1980, Dec 5, 2004
    #32
  13. It seems to me that this is being judged guilty until you prove yourself
    innocent.....How does one go about proving that any given photograph is not
    the work of a professional? I would tell them that even if it looks like the
    work of a pro now, as soon as they get done with it, it will be only too
    obvious that it isn't professional work....:^)
     
    William Graham, Dec 5, 2004
    #33
  14. Jeremy

    Bob Hickey Guest

    No proplem here. Any decent shooter will go completely beserk after one look
    at Wal-Mart's finest.. After that, no more problem.
    Bob Hickey
     
    Bob Hickey, Dec 5, 2004
    #34
  15. Briefly I worked for "Kinkos" there was a story within our store
    that someone had sued the store for 75,000 and that's why no
    © materials were to to be copied without a form signed by the
    customer bearing all liability for doing so. The store itself never infringed
    or became an accessorie of that infringement.
     
    Gregory W Blank, Dec 5, 2004
    #35
  16. Jeremy

    McLeod Guest

    I believe that they have been successfully sued more than once for
    copyright infringement. It may even have been them sued by the late
    Galen Rowell for actually using one of his images for a large instore
    display that was in all of there stores.
     
    McLeod, Dec 5, 2004
    #36
  17. Jeremy

    Alan Browne Guest

    I doubt that thay would invoke this policy based on a set of negatives. Based
    on studio prints, yes.

    In any case, for those of us 'round here, Wal-Merde is hardly a consideration.
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 5, 2004
    #37
  18. Jeremy

    Colm Guest

    Did you write the stuff for "Bart's people" too?

    j/k, it's a shame to see old reliables going down the tubes.

    --
    Colm



    : So raise a glass to the memory of Fishkin Bros Sporting Goods tonight. They
    : were the real deal--and places like that are going, and won't be coming
    : back.
    :
    :
     
    Colm, Dec 5, 2004
    #38
  19. Jeremy

    DALLAS Guest

    You sound like a Springsteen song.

    Adapt or die, as they say.
     
    DALLAS, Dec 5, 2004
    #39
  20. Jeremy

    ChrisPlatt Guest

    Photo stores like this have been dropping like flies
    since the peak years of the late '70's/early 80's,
    long before the advent of digital photography.

    If anything, digital may have helped some small retailers hang on...

    Excelsior, you fatheads!
    -Chris-
     
    ChrisPlatt, Dec 5, 2004
    #40
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