frame by frame painting

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Leo Reyes, Jul 16, 2004.

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    Leo Reyes Guest

    I want to do free hand drawing on my video clips one frame at a time. I have
    Photoshop 7.0 and After Effects 5.5. which program can I bring my short clip
    and do frame by frame painting. I also have toaster paint, but prefer not
    to use it unless I have too.



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    Leo Reyes, Jul 16, 2004
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    nappy Guest

    AE has a vector paint feature which is not very versatile but it may do what
    you need..

    Take a look at that.
     
    nappy, Jul 16, 2004
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    someone Guest

    There are quite a few rotoscoping products out there. Unless you want to
    capture every frame for use in Photoshop, there is no way to do extensive
    work in it. AE is not really a rotoscoping program.

    MSPro has a rotoscoping program in it that is fairly good. Could probably
    buy an obsolete version of the program and just use the stand-alone
    rotoscoper. It is probably one of the least expensive tools. I think
    Combustion has this capability but it is about $1000 full-price.
     
    someone, Jul 17, 2004
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    MSu1049321 Guest

    Synthetik Studio Artist, Dabbler, and Alam Dv are things to look at...
     
    MSu1049321, Jul 17, 2004
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    david.mccall Guest

    If he was asking about Photoshop and Aftereffects because he already
    has access to these programs, then the answer is that you can use them
    for this. You can export a sequence (I suggest a very short sequence,
    perhaps as much as a second at a time) as a filmstrip from After effects,
    and work on the strip in Photoshop, then bring it back to aftereffects
    for further work. It might be good for short effects and textures. The
    filmstrip is just a very tall picture broken into frames.

    I haven't used it, but I did just test it for you, and it worked. It wasn't
    obvious how to do onion skinning and such though.

    Another approach is to export the sequence as Photoshop PSD files
    an then combine them into one big multi layered PSD file. Then
    you could load that PSD into After effects as a composition, select
    all of the layers, adjust the length to the desired length and set the
    outpoint of all of the layers to 1 frame, and use "sequence layers"
    to arrange them in the timeline. You can then use that entire
    composition as a single layer in another composition.

    There is a program called "Painter" that can do rotoscopeing and
    has a lot of natural media tools. You can take video and make it
    look like chalk, pencil, oils, etc.. Plus you can paint with the cool
    "natural media" tools. It's good fun, but they handle layers and
    pallets in a strange way that I just never got used to.

    Photoshop and Aftereffects are my very best tools.

    David
     
    david.mccall, Jul 17, 2004
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  6. David,

    I'm thinking of the function of Premiere where you can import sequences
    of images as a single clip of video, by just selecting the first frame
    and choosing Image Sequence or some such. For this scheme, I would name
    all of my frames the same and give them increasing numbers, and it
    should work. Does that make any sense? That doesn't address the
    rotoscoping or animation process, but if Photoshop does have an onion
    skin function, shezam.

    Gary Eickmeier
     
    Gary Eickmeier, Jul 19, 2004
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    david.mccall Guest

    yes, that is true, but while Photoshop can be used to paint the frames, it
    doesn't
    have much real animation support. If you are doing a short sequence, you can
    treat each layer as a frame. I don't know that Premiere can use Photoshop
    layers
    directly as frames though. Aftereffects can, sort-of. You can import a
    Photoshop
    file as a comp, set the out point to 1 or more frames, and then
    automatically
    distribute the layers so they become sequential. You can even set it to
    dissolve
    from layer to layer.

    David
     
    david.mccall, Aug 1, 2004
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    MSu1049321 Guest

    You're talking about "filmstrip mode". It's in the manual.
     
    MSu1049321, Aug 2, 2004
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    Seattle Eric Guest

    Using Photoshop for this would be painful. Look into an actual
    animation package. NewTek >used< to publish "AURA", which would do this
    easily. I believe AURA has reverted to the coders, but is still in
    active support.

    There's probably about three apps that do what you need.
     
    Seattle Eric, Aug 2, 2004
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    Guy Guest

    Aura is now called Mirage.

    My advice would be to use combustion for any roto or video painting. Very
    intuitive and great value (if you have the cash to spend!).
     
    Guy, Aug 2, 2004
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  11. Discreet Logic really know how to do online paint. I used to use a
    Flint (remember them?) almost every day until we got a Henry. While
    the Henry was a million dollar box I still preferred the 100K Flint
    and the toolset it offered.

    Nowadays I believe Combustion offers a very similar toolset to the
    Flint/Flame/Inferno boxes. From what I remember (and I stopped
    actually being an operator around the time Editbox FX came out) the
    Combustion toolset was somewhat hobbled, but still allowed vector and
    non vector based paint, good onionskinning, and various composite
    modes. It was just kind of a toned down Flint, basically.

    Where the Discreet products really shine is in motion tracking. I
    remember having to paint crow's feet off Sharon Stone's eyes for an
    Italian ad once - the only thing that saved me was a bright key light
    on each eye that was trackable and and a combination of dodge and
    blur.
     
    Relaxification, Aug 3, 2004
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