Fuji Pro S5 and beyond

Discussion in 'Fuji' started by aniramca, Feb 28, 2009.

  1. aniramca

    aniramca Guest

    I heard from someone in UK that Fuji does not produce anymore S5. They
    said that the last shipment from Nikon was completed early this year.
    I knew that the S5 is similar to the Nikon D200. However, I did not
    know that the body is actually shipped from Nikon factory (with Fuji
    logo). Is this true? I thought that Fuji has the license/permit to
    produce the body which is identical to Nikon, but their production is
    completely independent from Nikon's D200 production. So, my question
    is whether the S5 is infact a D200 ( in almost every aspects of the
    body), except with a different "engine", sensor, software, other
    operating features.

    My second question is whether there are other DSLR cameras which has
    similar arrangement as Fuji/Nikon. Is Samsung GX-10/20 infact a Pentax
    DSLR or vice versa (or are they just sharing the sensor/design
    developments)?

    A third question is whether a new Fuji Pro DSLR is coming soon. I have
    not heard from Fuji website or from any discussion forum, except
    various rumors.

    Thanks for the response.
     
    aniramca, Feb 28, 2009
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  2. aniramca

    Paul Giverin Guest

    In message
    I think the sensor, processor and software define a DSLR more than the
    body does. I think you are right in saying that the bodies are
    identical. I remember reading a head to head review of the two cameras
    and I think they found quite a difference in performance and they
    preferred the S5.

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    Paul Giverin, Feb 28, 2009
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  3. aniramca

    semoi Guest

    The Nikon corporate web site lists its Japanese factories but the majority
    of its products bear a made in Taiwan or China stamp.
    Nikon's major electronic supplier is Sony although clearly Nikon's version
    of Sony electronics are programmed differently.
    Japanese corporations that present themselves as free-standing, as Nikon
    does on its corporate website, are often parts of interlocking corporations.
    Who really owns Nikon is a guessing game: most believe Nikon would be
    considered a subsidiary of Mitsubishi if Japanese corporations had to answer
    to the same reporting standards as western corporations. True or not, I have
    read that the relationship between Nikon and Mitsubishi goes back to WWII
    and was hidden after WWII for obvious P.R. reasons.
     
    semoi, Feb 28, 2009
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  4. aniramca

    aniramca Guest


    I believe the term which has been used for conglomerate companies is
    Zaibatsu prior to WWII and the modern interlocking corporation is now
    called Keiretsu. The old zaibatsu's main tier companies are
    mitsubishi, mitsui, sumitomo and yosida. The new keiretsu empires
    consist of mitsubishi, mitsui, sumitomo, fuyo, daichi-kangyo and sanwa
    (from wikipedia).
    From the wikipedia, the alliance of japanese camera are loosely as
    follows:
    Nikon under Mitsubishi umbrella,
    Sony and Fuji Photo under Mitsui umbrella,
    Panasonic under Sumitomo umbrella (loosely?)
    Canon and Ricoh under Fuyo (formely Yasuda prior to WWII?)

    So, according to the above, Fuji's affiliation with Nikon is crossing
    the keiretsu/zaibatsu line (Mitsui vs. Mitsubishi).
    Note that this is what I obtained from Wikipedia. and I am not the
    expert on this.

    I seem to notice that Nikon's cameras were assembled out of Japan
    ( some models from China and Indonesia - cheaper ones, and the more
    expensive only from Thailand). However, the high end camera products
    from Canon and Panasonic appears to be assembled in Japan. Most of
    Fuji's stuff is made in China.
    I don't know if this have impact on the quality of the product or not.
     
    aniramca, Feb 28, 2009
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  5. aniramca

    Mark Thomas Guest

    I won't try to second guess Fuji, who tend to produce some very
    surprising products at times.. But I think it is very interesting that
    they are still working very hard on sensor technology (witness the new
    200 EXR compact), and clearly they have made some very useful, and
    non-conventional, sensors in the past.

    Going *way* back, Fuji made some very nice (and under-rated, imo) film
    slrs and lenses..

    I do hope they surprise us with a successor to the S series.
     
    Mark Thomas, Feb 28, 2009
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  6. aniramca

    ASAAR Guest

    It's *very* unlikely. Sometime last year in DPReview's , one of
    the Fujifilm SLR Talk regulars sadly revealed that he had been paid
    (probably a token amount) to enthusiastically support Fuji's
    products, and had gotten an email from Fuji that his service was no
    longer needed, and (IIRC) no longer was restricted in what he could
    say. If Fuji really intends to release an S6Pro, it doesn't make
    sense that they'd fail to at least drop some hints that one was in
    their plans. Too many (mostly wedding photographers) pros in that
    forum have by now upgraded to cameras from other companies, mostly
    to Nikon D300s and D700s. The remaining diehards would love to see
    an S6Pro, but there's little enthusiasm left for the S6Pro rumors
    which pop up every now and then, and which so far have been quickly
    debunked. With what has happened to the global economy, Fuji is
    fortunate to have abandoned further production of DSLRs when they
    did. Most other companies (including Nikon and Canon) are
    suffering, and it would be much worse for Fuji, who would have to
    pay a premium to Nikon for each S6Pro sold. This may help their
    compact camera division to survive, which at this point isn't a
    given. But they seem to have blinders on, and don't seem able to
    produce compact cameras that real enthusiasts would go for. Their
    new F200 EXR, for instance, is a nice little camera, but it's fairly
    expensive and lacks the real manual controls found on some Canon and
    Panasonic compacts. It seems aimed at a demographic that likes to
    use auto and scene modes.
     
    ASAAR, Feb 28, 2009
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    Doug Jewell Guest

    The Fuji most definately has a completely different sensor.
    At what point (if any) the electronics become the same I am
    not quite sure of - The difference could very well be
    limited to the electronics needed to talk to the different
    sensor, or they may be completely different. The Fuji
    performs several orders of magnitude slower than the Nikon,
    so my guess is that the Fuji has all it's own electronics,
    and only the mechanical interface (body, shutter,
    viewfinder, buttons etc) is shared.
    The samsung/pentax differences are less than the differences
    between the S5/D200. Samsung/Pentax seems to be a true
    collaboration where they share technology - it would seem
    Pentax bring their huge camera experience to the table,
    while Samsung bring their huge electronics experience. The
    differences between the Pentax and Samsung cameras are
    limited to very slight body changes (there are very small
    differences in body shape, button styling etc), and software
    changes - the Samsung lacks the Pentax raw format, has a
    different skin to the menus (same options though), and has
    slightly different default settings. Other than that they
    are identical cameras - identical chassis, identical sensor,
    identical electronics, and identical functions.

    To answer your question about other shared DSLR's - The only
    other one I'm aware of is the Olympus E330 and Panasonic L1,
    which shared a considerable portion of the chassis and
    electronics.
    I'm pretty good friends with a guy in Fuji and haven't heard
    anything.
     
    Doug Jewell, Mar 1, 2009
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  8. aniramca

    Guest Guest

    do you have a link to that? i tried searching on a few things but
    didn't turn up much. it sounds like it would be a *very* interesting
    read.
     
    Guest, Mar 1, 2009
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  9. aniramca

    ASAAR Guest

    Here 'tis :

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=29325349
     
    ASAAR, Mar 1, 2009
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  10. aniramca

    Paul Furman Guest

    My D700 says made in Japan.


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    Paul Furman, Mar 1, 2009
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    Pete D Guest

    The K10D and GX10 are exactly the same feature wise but the GX20 and K20D
    differ a just a tad more, GX20 does not have burst mode.
     
    Pete D, Mar 1, 2009
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  12. aniramca

    Robert Coe Guest

    : wrote:
    : >
    : > I seem to notice that Nikon's cameras were assembled out of Japan
    : > ( some models from China and Indonesia - cheaper ones, and the more
    : > expensive only from Thailand). However, the high end camera products
    : > from Canon and Panasonic appears to be assembled in Japan.
    :
    : My D700 says made in Japan.

    My 50D, my 400D, my wife's 400D, my G-5, and my wife's S50 all say Made in
    Japan.

    Our old Nikon film cameras do too, I think, but I guess that's hardly relevant
    now. ;^)

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Mar 1, 2009
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