Fuji S2 vs its competition

Discussion in 'Fuji' started by Ray Paseur, Dec 8, 2003.

  1. Ray Paseur

    Ray Paseur Guest

    Group, if you've plowed this field before, please bear with me. I'm an
    experienced photographer working in film but have no experience with digital
    systems. I'm considering the Fuji S2 so that I can keep using my Nikon
    lenses. Also thinking about the newest Kodak digital offering.

    If you have experience with the S2 (and even better with the S2 vs the
    Kodak) could you please tell me of any "gotcha" things to look out for. I
    already know about changes in focal length on the S2.

    I shoot mostly portraits and weddings, so white balance is pretty important.
    Also, if you can advise me on how to learn about the digital workflow, that
    would be helpful, too.


    Ray Paseur, Dec 8, 2003
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  2. The better resolution and lower noise of the Fuji S2 Pro, and the fact that
    it uses Nikkor lenses has made it a popular choice of wedding photographers
    as well as studio-based pros. The focal length issues are not a big deal in
    practical use, and in fact adds some advantage in that it can eliminate
    light falloff in the corners of some lenses, for example.

    I am not a professional photographer, but I do use an S2 Pro, having made
    the difficult choice between it and the Nikon D100. I have not been
    disappointed. It really is an excellent camera for portraits.

    You want to hang out on the forums at DP Review, especially the Fuji dSLR
    forum at http://tinyurl.com/w6hg . Those forums have a much better signal to
    noise ratio than this usenet newsgroup.

    You may also find Thom Hogan's views interesting and I would suggest that
    you look at his Nikon-based dSLR comparison at http://tinyurl.com/syc9 .

    Howard McCollister, Dec 10, 2003
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    Todd Walker Guest

    The S2 is a fantastic camera. If I were heavily invested in Nikon
    lenses, I would buy the S2 over the D100 without thinking twice.

    Todd Walker
    Canon 10D
    Todd Walker, Dec 10, 2003
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    JPS Guest

    In message <>,
    I'd seriously consider the S2, but the converted file sizes are a bit of
    a problem. The RAW files aren't bloated, but any intermediate TIFF or
    PSD files are going to be twice as big as the data they contain, and
    making 6mp images from the RAW data is lossy.
    JPS, Dec 10, 2003

  5. All really good points. I would add that he would want to establish a
    relationship with a good digital lab for prints and may want to consider a
    dye sublimation printer, or maybe laser printer, in his shop for proofs. Big
    hard drives, lots of RAM, fast computer as well. Broadband *synchronous*
    connection for FTP uploading to the lab is a real time saver (synchronous
    because the usual broadband connection, even with a 2.mbps dowload speed may
    very well only have a 128kbps upload speed, which means sending those files
    can take a LONG time).

    I always use the CR123's. I buy them in lots of 20 for about $1.25 each from
    Botach Tactical. For the AA's get NiMH of at least 2100 mah. They're cheap,
    and a fresh set of 4 should get 900-1200 shots. On the S2 Pro, if you're
    CR123s go dead, remove them completely or put fresh ones in. If you leave
    the dead ones in, the camera won't work and you'll think it's broken.

    The archiving on DVD or CD is an important point. The first thing I do when
    I go to download a CF card is burn it right to a CD. Before I even look at
    it, just drag it over and come back in a couple of minutes when it's done.

    I agree with the firewire reader. I have USB reader too and the Firewire is

    If you decide to shoot RAW files, the Fuji RAW EX (included in US version
    camera) software is better than the other RAW converters out there, although
    the interface is kind of clunky.

    Finally be aware that Fuji is due, in January maybe, to announce the S3 Pro,
    probably to ship in mid-2004. You can look at http://tinyurl.com/ynr9 for
    predictions by Thom Hogan on these issues. He reckons the S3 Pro at $3999 or
    thereabouts for 11mp full frame sensor. Not known whether or not they would
    keep the S2 Pro in the lineup, tweaked or not, at a lower price point. Also,
    be sure to read his predictions about the Nikon F6. *That* would certainly
    add some confusion to the industry...

    Howard McCollister, Dec 10, 2003
  6. On 12/10/03 15:37, in article 3fd7909a$0$45630$,
    Yes, I have noticed the problem with dead CR123s as well. There is no any
    warning from the Camera. It just will not turn on, even if you have fresh
    set of AAs in the camera. S2 has also problems detecting when some NiMH
    batteries are dead. I had a set of 1200 mAh in the camera, which were almost
    empty. Camera indicated still good battery status, but when I tried to take
    a picture, all I got was an "Err" displayed on the LCD screen, and picture
    was not stored on to the card. Changing to fresh set of NiMHs fixed the

    My Fuji S2 has also specific issue with scenes that have much higher
    contrast than the CCD can handle. In those scenarios you may get a striped
    noise pattern into the underexposed areas of the picture. I have also seen
    other S2 users reporting this in Fuji Talk forum in dpreview.com. However,
    once you know that, I think you will be able to cope with that problem. I
    have seen that in two or three of my shots out of about 500, which I have
    taken during the past three weeks.

    In general, I'm also very satisfied with S2. I'm especially happy about the
    low noise in ISO 800 and ISO 1600 pictures. When exposed properly, ISO 1600
    pictures look very good at 4x6 or 5x7 size - much better that what you would
    get with ISO1600 film.

    - Juhani
    Juhani Vanhala, Dec 11, 2003
  7. Then you'll want to shoot RAW. Shooting RAW, the WB along with all other
    shot parameters remain forever adjustable in full 36-bit quality. A serious
    problem with the S2 Pro is that it only provides a tiny JPEG preview of a
    RAW image on the LCD, seriously handicapping the camera in RAW mode for such
    basics as confirming focus.
    George Preddy, Dec 18, 2003
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    J9 Guest

    Wrong... The embedded jpg is actually 1440x960 at 72dpi (a 20" x
    13.333" screen size). You can use the zoom feature in postview mode on
    the camera to view the image at 100% and confirm focus!


    J9, Dec 19, 2003
  9. 100% of 1440x960 is worthless. Sorry. Better off shooting film.
    George Preddy, Dec 19, 2003
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