Fuji Velvia Being Phased Out?

Discussion in 'Fuji' started by Larry R Harrison Jr, Jul 24, 2003.

  1. According to the current issue of Pop Photo (I know, not the most respected
    name but anyway) the new Fuji Velvia 100F may well replace the well renowned
    Velvia 50 ISO film. In their words "our sources indicate that 50's days are
    numbered."

    Now, while I appreciate that apparently this film has very fine grain and
    technology has allowed us to not have to use 25-speed film anymore
    (Kodachrome 25 is what I'm thinking of) to have the sharpest slides
    possible, nonetheless I sort of like having the 50-speed as an alternative.
    I typically shoot 100-speed film whether it's slide or color print, but if I
    am "on the hunt" for exceptional pictures and want to go to local national
    parks etc to make an attempt at something worthy of being enlarged, I make a
    point to use the slowest speed film I can get away with to make it as
    enlargeable as possible.

    I say, if you're capable of making 100-speed film very finely grained, why
    not extend that reciprocally to the 50-speed film for even better results,
    so people have that as an option in such situations.

    Comments?

    LRH
     
    Larry R Harrison Jr, Jul 24, 2003
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  2. just my take on this but . . . . .

    . . . . . . . if Velvia 100 F is as good as the photographic media are
    saying, I suspect that Velvia's core market (pro and enthusiast amateur
    landscape and wildlife photographers) will largely migrate to the new film.
    This coupled with a general migration to digital will probably erode
    Velvia's market to an unprofitable level and Fuji will quietly drop it. If,
    however, the core market doesn't migrate to Velvia 100 F, I suspect Velvia
    50 will continue to enjoy a long and profitable life. Given the views
    expressed by the photographic press (at least here in the UK), I don't
    believe that grain or sharpness will be a factor as these are reported to be
    as good as the old Velvia, though I do have my concerns about the reported
    slight change in colour palette
     
    Tony Parkinson, Jul 24, 2003
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  3. Larry R Harrison Jr

    Lewis Lang Guest

    Subject: Fuji Velvia Being Phased Out?
    I hope Pop is wrong about this. I don't know if Pop is blowing wind or merely
    "cutting the (Velvia) cheese" but the 50 Velvia is probably the sharpest E-6
    film out there and its combination of ultra high sharpness and ultra high
    saturation (not to mention its already superfine grain) give it many reasons to
    continue - provided the market will support it (which I believe it will).
    Hopefully Fuji won't "pull a Kodak" by taking away a unique and unreplacable
    film product. Velvia 50 is surely a one of a kind - so was Fuji 50, alas, also
    shamefully discontinued. The new 100 Velvias are good news for film fans, but
    if the 50 is taken away, you are going to have a whole lotta angry nature (and
    other types of) photographers for whom it is their lifeblood (whatever the
    format). Some people literally "see in Velvia (50)" and, just like the old
    Kodachrome "makes all the world seem like a sunny day, oh yeah", I hope they
    won't "take my Velvia away". Enough singing, my voice is fine but the monitor
    is a little "flat" ;-) :). Hopefully people who still want the utmost in
    sharpness/saturation will still continue to buy the 50 which will keep it going
    for quite a while at least. 50 is a (barely) usable speed, more so for
    landscapes, still lifes and tripoded work. People obsess about grain but the 50
    is hardly grainy, though its nice to have an even finer? grained 100 speed, its
    not nice to lose/give up sharpness to do so. There is a place for both the 50
    and the 100 - and even 200 and 400 Velvia should Fuji ever deign to make it so
    ;-).

    Lewis

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    Lewis Lang, Jul 24, 2003
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    Matt Clara Guest

    Matt Clara, Jul 24, 2003
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    Mxsmanic Guest

    Film companies these days seem to prefer to increase the speed while
    keeping resolution and grain the same, rather than increase the
    resolution and diminish the grain while keeping the speed the same.

    I'm not sure I agree with this, but nobody seems to care. All the
    fine-grained, high-resolution, low-speed films are disappearing. If
    higher-speed films can do the same in terms of resolution and grain,
    fine, but I'm not convinced that they invariably can. Provia has finer
    grain than Velvia, but it has less resolution, too.

    Also, Velvia is one of the world's most popular slide films. I'm not
    sure that phasing it out would be a smart move.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jul 24, 2003
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  6. If Velvia 50 tends to have more subtle colours if overexposed 1/3 of
    a stop ("rated as 40"), then perhaps you can get more vivid colours
    from Velvia 100[F] if you underexpose it 1/3 of a stop (by rating it
    as 125)? Just a thought...

    Victor
     
    Victor Bazarov, Jul 24, 2003
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    ThomasH Guest

    I do not get it.

    Why to complain, what is wrong with Velvia 100F as a replacement?

    It has a finer grain than the old Velvia 50. This change is
    called progress by some and frankly, this presentation on
    most recent films might be the "swan song" of the 35mm film.
    It reminds me on the DMM long play technology ('Direct Metal
    mastering') which tried to challenge these pesky CD's and
    prolong the life of 33.3rpm LP. A futile attempt. Since the
    big three have released recently a plethora of new slide and
    negative films, they probably flush the already made research
    to the market and that's the end of it...

    Kodak has recently reduced further 6000 jobs around film
    manufacturing, Fuji presented a new generation optical sensor
    and so on and so on.

    Thomas
     
    ThomasH, Jul 24, 2003
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    Pål Jensen Guest


    If there is indeed a replacement it is almost certainly the Velvia 100, now
    only available in Japan, not the Velvia 100F which has a totally different
    color palette.
     
    Pål Jensen, Jul 24, 2003
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    Andrew Price Guest

    Same place as Agfa APX-25, alas.
     
    Andrew Price, Jul 25, 2003
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  10. Larry R Harrison Jr

    Bandicoot Guest

    Something I plan to try once I get my first delivery ;-)

    However, underexposing will have other effects too - blocked shadows - so if
    it does work it still isn't the whole answer. And I'm not sure an F
    technology film will behave the same way.

    But we shall see: I'm looking forward to some experimentation....



    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Jul 25, 2003
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  11. I don't get it either. Velvia 50 is a grainy disaster (compared to Provia
    100F) scanned at 4000 dpi, and its red response goes off the wall given the
    slightest chance. I suppose for people who aren't scanning, the choice
    between Velvia's occasionally losing it with reds and Provia's always
    overdoing blue makes Velvia at least livable with some of the time, but I'd
    think people would be dancing in the streets for two new fine grain films
    with neutral color response and a choice of contrast/latitude.

    (I've got a couple of rolls of Astia 100F coming back from the lab tonight,
    so I may be singing a different tune tomorrow<g>.)

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Jul 25, 2003
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    Matt Clara Guest

    I've shot Provia 100F and didn't see that much difference in grain, and yes,
    I scan my film with a dedicated film scanner. Moreover, Velvia's palette is
    much more pleasing to me.
     
    Matt Clara, Jul 25, 2003
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  13. Larry R Harrison Jr

    Matt Clara Guest

    Wasn't Kodachrome eclipsed by the new E6 films? Is the new Velvia 100 this
    kind of eclipse? If so, the change is inevitable, and I won't complain,
    because it clearly is a better product. I've yet to hear that, though.
     
    Matt Clara, Jul 25, 2003
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    Mxsmanic Guest

    Shoot Tech Pan through three filters, and combine the results.
    Essentially similar processes worked for Kodachrome and Technicolor.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jul 25, 2003
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  15. Larry R Harrison Jr

    Mxsmanic Guest

    E-6 wasn't so great at first. In recent years, I think it has matched
    and surpassed Kodachrome for most uses.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jul 25, 2003
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  16. Larry R Harrison Jr

    Mxsmanic Guest

    You must be buying a different Velvia, as I do not see that "disastrous
    grain."
    I developed a roll of ordinary Astia today, and it looks fine on the
    light table, although in the past I've found it a bit soft for my tastes
    in scans. If you have Astia 100F in Japan right now, we'll probably
    have it in France in 3-8 years.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jul 25, 2003
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    Jim Waggener Guest

    And just what is the difference between Velvia 100 and 100F?
     
    Jim Waggener, Jul 25, 2003
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  18. That's what they said about cut film when 35mm film came out. - That's
    what they said about B&W film when color film came out........
     
    William Graham, Jul 25, 2003
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  19. Larry R Harrison Jr

    Mxsmanic Guest

    I'm not worried.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jul 25, 2003
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  20. Velvia is clearly noisier than Provia 100F scanned on a Nikon 8000. I
    suppose "grainy disaster" is a bit of an exaggeration, but it is noisier.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Jul 25, 2003
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