FujiFilm S3 Pro ???

Discussion in 'Fuji' started by Morten A. Jorsett, Jan 16, 2004.

  1. Hello

    Does anyone know if Fuji are thinking about an S3 model?

    Morten
     
    Morten A. Jorsett, Jan 16, 2004
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  2. Morten A. Jorsett

    Gavin Cato Guest

    Well, supplies of the S2 are drying up and PMA is next month so I'd guess
    we'll hear something then.

    If it's full frame it'll sell like wildfire.
     
    Gavin Cato, Jan 16, 2004
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  3. Morten A. Jorsett

    B.o.w.s.e.r Guest

    If it's full-frame, it will have nothing to do with the sub-frame D100.
    Totally different market.
     
    B.o.w.s.e.r, Jan 16, 2004
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  4. As long as we're plucking items out of the air....

    The body will might also be Nikon's N85, digital version of the camera Nikon
    is bringing out to replace the N80. F100 would probably be too expensive.

    The sensor might also be 11mp full frame. Fuji already has that sensor on
    the shelves.


    Fun to speculate, isn't it? We'll all know for sure in about a month.

    HMc
     
    Howard McCollister, Jan 17, 2004
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  5. Frankly, I think both Fuji and Nikon should make BOTH a subframe $1500 dSLR
    and a Full Frame SLR in the $2500 $3500 range. People have discounted
    Nikon's entry into full frame, in large part because of their DX lenses, and
    some off-hand comments by their VP Marketing. Frankly, I suspect that Nikon
    will announce a full frame dSLR at PMA. They'd be crazy not to. As to Fuji,
    they have to broaden their market in cameras -- they're trying to replace a
    film market. I'm skeptical that 4/3 is the vehicle to do that.

    So, my question is Where is Nikon going to get their full-frame sensor? I
    don't believe that Sony has one ready to go. They have a close relationship
    with Fuji, but how much sense would it make for both Nikon and Fuji to
    market the same camera? ( N85-based 11mp full-frame Fuji sensor with a few
    little control differences).

    PMA should be interesting.

    HMc
     
    Howard McCollister, Jan 17, 2004
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  6. Morten A. Jorsett

    B.o.w.s.e.r Guest

    Nobody would be more surprised than me if Nikon introduced a full-frame
    consumer level camera. I doubt they'll introduce a full-frame pro model next
    year.
     
    B.o.w.s.e.r, Jan 17, 2004
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  7. Morten A. Jorsett

    B.o.w.s.e.r Guest

    Isn't Nikon making their own sensors now?

     
    B.o.w.s.e.r, Jan 17, 2004
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  8. Yes, as Paolo pointed out...the LBCAST sensor developed entirely at Nikon
    and being used in the D2H. It looks really good on paper, and it seems to me
    that its big thing is data transfer - much faster frame rates. Also lower
    power consumption.

    It's a good point. I was thinking Sony or Fuji for sensors in their next
    round because I'm not sure that the LBCAST is far enough along on the
    development scale to bring out higher resolution cameras than the D2H. Maybe
    they are -- I guess we'll know after PMA.

    HMc
     
    Howard McCollister, Jan 18, 2004
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    KenP Guest

    There's also the Kodak 14n to consider, especially in light of their
    recent firmware updates that address most common concerns about the
    camera's performance. You can be sure that Nikon and Fuji are both
    looking at the sales of this $4000 camera to decide if that's the
    route they want to go this year. There also appear to be unique
    problems associated with the use of full-frame sensors that require a
    "tailoring" process for each lens type to address peripheral color
    shift due to lens exit characteristics. Also users of existing 6 MPX
    cameras might be put off by the relative sluggishness and high power
    drain of full-frame models.

    In any case it would be wise for Nikon to keep very tight-lipped (or
    even deceptive) about any introduction of a full-frame model, since
    they wish to exhaust supplies of existing cameras. As you say, the
    PMA should prove interesting.
     
    KenP, Jan 18, 2004
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  10. The advantages of the JFET LBCAST sensor that Nikon makes include low power
    consumption and fast data transfer. How well would this LBCAST technology
    scale up to full frame? Might it avoid those particular issues? How would it
    affect the color shift problem?

    Also, I read that the LBCAST has something like 38% better yield (IIRC) than
    conventional CCD technology. I wonder how that scales up when we're talking
    full frame rather than the subframe 4mp sensor in the D2H...that has
    important implications as to how much it would cost as the sensor gets
    bigger.

    And, I wonder about the time frame. Could Nikon have those issues dealt with
    and the LBCAST up and ready to go at higher pixel counts/bigger sensors by
    PMA?

    I don't expect answers, but these are the questions that go through my mind
    as I contemplate what my next camera body will be and when I will get it. In
    so many ways this year's PMA has the potential to demonstrate the marketing
    direction for high end digital cameras.

    HMc
     
    Howard McCollister, Jan 18, 2004
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  11. Hi KenP
    Firmware has not fixed the 14n's noisy sensor at ISOs > 100.

    Funny how Kodak made such a strategic error on that sensor.
    It'll be looked at in the future as one of the inflection points
    in their suicide curve.

    -- stan
     
    Stanley Krute, Jan 18, 2004
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