Fuming mad, unscheduled replacement camera suggestions?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by bad sector, May 30, 2012.

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    bad sector Guest

    Hello!

    Looking for a new camera, probably a low end (maybe SLR) Nikon
    only because the last 'troublefree' camera I had was a Nikon.
    I wish all (camera) manufactureres had a substantial selection
    module on their web site!


    something like this guitar selector
    http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=electricguitars

    or the Gates belt design simulator (need to sign up):
    http://www.gates.com/dfproweb/index.cfm


    Having had a very bad and expen$ive experience with a fujifilm
    (Fine?)Pix-s1500 product I am extremely cautious in finding a
    replacement. Here are some of the problems encountered and some
    inclusive features I'd like from my next camera.

    Focusing
    ========
    The fujifilm doesn't have manual focus so it has always been impossible
    to shoot through a window because it locks on the window pane and all
    else (outside) is severely out of focus!

    - I set up a zoomed (outdoors) nightshot including a shoreline
    settlement with its lights and the full moon rising only to
    find that after having pressed to the autofocus detent, upon
    pressing further for the actual exposure the focus went and
    slewed to a blurr. This has not cleared and pretty well makes
    the camera unusable ever since.
    - I want a camera with manual focus in addition to auto.
    - Preferably with an auto focus feature that also serves as
    a rangefinder providing distance information only
    - Preferably with a compensation feature to be used with
    autofocus (such as already exists for exposure) so that I
    might adjust autofocus +/- 20% in 1% steps


    Exposure Control:
    =================
    The usual auto/apperature/shutter priority features with exposure
    compensation/bracketing i.e. for example I want to be able to set
    up shutterspeed priority with auto exposure CORRECTED by a desired
    compensation % OR a bracketing sequence.


    Movies:
    =======
    - INAUDIBLE MECHANICAL FUNCTIONS such as zooming and all others.
    The Fujjifilm-s1500 sounds like a factory on the soundtrack even
    without active zoom motoring during filming
    - wide range manual framerate selection (down to 1 frame per minute)
    between 1 & 30 fps in 1 fps increments
    between 1 & 60 fpm in 1 fpm increments
    - SOUND-ZOOMING allowing the sound from a distant source to dominate
    and to partly suppress ambiant sound
    - auto or manual but variable sound sensitivity OR limiting that
    doesn't produce a distorted overkill in even a light wind


    Power:
    ======
    Standard (preferably 12vdc or else 6vdc) plus a wallplug adapter plus
    an external DC adapter (cigarette lighter adapter for automotive 12vdc
    battery) for one-week timelapse photos.


    What is better, a widereange optical zoom or changeable (telephoto)
    lens? Is there some rule of thumb to relate say a 15x zoom
    to XYZ mm telephoto? Are there sharpness/distortion advanteges?

    Does the gps feature in Nikons include a timestamp independant of camera
    setup?


    Thanks for any info
     
    bad sector, May 30, 2012
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    RichA Guest

    Nikon D3200. An insanely great bargain at $699. Once it is released.
     
    RichA, May 30, 2012
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    nick c Guest

    ...... and we are unanimous in that opinion. :)
     
    nick c, May 30, 2012
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    bad sector Guest

    a little rich for me and doesn't offer everything I'm looking for but
    still very tempting, when is the release expected?
     
    bad sector, May 31, 2012
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    RichA Guest

    Supposedly, it was released on Apr. 19, but stock isn't available yet.
     
    RichA, May 31, 2012
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    bad sector Guest

    thanks

    I'm also looking at the coolpix series which are more within my budget,
    like the S6300 (retired). As far as not getting everything I want, and
    eveb the d3200 would not give me time lapse features) this model would
    do as a minimal camera except for the bloody autofocus! I'm still
    traumatised by the focus problems my other camera gave me costing some
    really good opportunity shots. Is there a way to lock the focus to
    infinity on these models? I don't mean the so called focuslock which
    seems to actually mean autofocus and autoexposure lock-in, just the
    autofocus and a lock OUT? I'm thinking like pointing the camera to the
    sky and then somehow disabling AF altogether. Anyone with ideas??? Or
    should I just accept the autofocus and be confident that Nikon's will
    not lock onto window panes nor slew back from infinity once set?
     
    bad sector, May 31, 2012
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  7. I'm also looking at the coolpix series which are more within my budget,
    The lenses you would use with the D3200 have an auto-focus on/off switch
    on the lens. You may also find more options on the AF as to whether it
    focuses on nearest object or something else. Likely a lot more options on
    a DSLR than a P&S. Go to the shop and try it, or ask the assistant to
    demonstrate.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Jun 1, 2012
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    Bruce Guest


    Beware. $699 only buys you a camera body. Pay a little more and you
    get a 3X 18-55mm zoom 'kit' lens that is good but not great.

    To get anything like the zoom range you get in a p&s, you would need
    to buy at least one more lens, probably the 55-200mm. There is a
    choice of two. one with vibration reduction at about $250 and one
    without for $150. There is also a 55-300mm with vibration reduction
    at about $400. Once again, they are good but not great lenses.

    If you want just one lens that covers the zoom range of the 18-55 and
    55-200mm lenses there is the 18-200mm with vibration reduction at
    about $850. This is an 11X zoom. Lenses of that zoom ratio generally
    are not good performers, and this one is no exception. It may be
    slightly better than others of its type but they are all optically
    poor.

    So consider whether you want to spend $699 plus $850, a total of
    around $1550, on a combination that will still fall short of the zoom
    range that you can get from a Coolpix costing far, far less. Even the
    camera body, 18-55mm lens and cheapest 55-200mm lens will cost you
    around $1050.

    Unless you are certain that you have a real need for 24 MP and are
    happy to carry around a bulky kit with camera body and either two
    medium sized lenses or one large, heavy lens, I think a Coolpix or
    another good superzoom camera will probably suit you far better.
     
    Bruce, Jun 1, 2012
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    bad sector Guest

    The 24 MP is handy for subsequent cropping (or zooming). Much obliged
    for the substantial response BTW!

    I don't really want any $1k+ digital kit because my experience with
    digital anything has been that it goes for a crap and soon regardless of
    how expensive it was. Still have my 35mm SLR Nikon and it still works,
    must be like 18 years old but since the digitals have arrived I have
    gone through four of them, they were all loaded with features I had no
    use for, none could go out in -35c, and all just quit working or
    degraded to the point of being unusable :-(

    I could go for a P&S but none that I've seen has AF override.
     
    bad sector, Jun 2, 2012
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  10. I did extensive research on point and shoots about 6 months ago,
    read, compared, took notes, went to stores, held about 30 in hand.
    I would have liked a manual focus override but evidently there
    is no such thing on P&S.
    I settled on a Panasonic ZS-8 and am quite happy with it.
    Once in a while it will be fooled by glass but not very often.
    I can always zoom out,lock focus, then zoom back in if
    that happens. Full manual options for everything else.
    Pros: It was the only camera that filled all my requirements.
    Fits in shirt pocket, metal case, F 3.3-6.3, 60 seconds
    to 1/4000 shutter, 16x zoom.
    Its the ONLY one I found that can be operated with one hand.
    I coated most of the case in clear packing tape as soon
    as I got it. It is used in industrial environments.
    I don't care about mp. 3 mp is what I use.
    Dropped once on concrete from 3' with no damage except
    to tape. Its been wet, dirty, sandy, hot, cold, etc.
    Con: reds are somewhat brighter than blue or green.
    Screen is somewhat hard to see in direct sun.
    IMO, its a far better camera then any other P&S.
    Nothing else even came close. Got it from B&H.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Jun 2, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Both my Canon G11 and Fujifilm E900 have manual focus. Both of those
    are perhaps not strictly P&S cameras. However compared to my DSLRs they
    are positively tiny, but not shirt pocketable, unless you have a
    particularly baggy shirt pocket.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 2, 2012
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  12. Both very nice cameras. I came close to buying a G12
    but really needed a shirt pocket cam. Sometimes I have to
    climb structures at refineries and and chem plants and take
    photos using one hand while I hang on for dear life with
    the other hand. Easy to do in my 30's, not so easy now in
    my 60's. :)
    It was the recommendation of posters here that I check
    out B&H and am quite happy I did.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Jun 2, 2012
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    bad sector Guest


    I was just about to undertake a complete analysis so you saved me a lot
    of footwork, I will look that zs-8 up for sure. I like the concrete
    floor bit, the universal test should be throwing one against a wall :)
    no, I'm NOT kidding! I too need a shirtpocket camera but I also need
    some goodies few of them offer like 1080 hd because I live in an
    opportunity rich locale for rare shots (like two days ago when my
    foot-and-ahalf tibetan terrier ran out to face down a moose 20 feet from
    the house in the backyard). Looks like I may have to get two cameras,
    which is ok if I find what I need. If I have to settle for AF I'd want
    it to be one that does not use a beam but only optical analysis. Looked
    at some manuals and there's never any 'beef' in them like how actually
    focus is accomplished. With hardcopy printed material gone out of style
    you'd think that the otherwise now zero-cost manuals would contain some
    technical detail other than brain-dead repetition and white space.
     
    bad sector, Jun 2, 2012
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    Bruce Guest


    You're welcome. Good luck with your choice. ;-)
     
    Bruce, Jun 2, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    I have an app on my Iphone that lets me change the focus point. Camera
    Awesome. It's a free app.
     
    PeterN, Jun 2, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    In that case the Canon S series might also be a good place to check.
    The S100 has all that you require; full manual, RAW, IS, 1080p24 HD,
    built-in GPS, and a good reputation.
    ....and very shirt pocketable.
    < http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons100/ >
     
    Savageduck, Jun 2, 2012
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  17. For what it's worth, the ZS7 came up as a high choice when I evaluated
    super-zoom cameras my wife could take hiking and birding a while back;
    so it's not too surprising that the next in that series is also looking
    good.
    I'm not aware of any mainstream camera that uses anything but optical
    analysis for focusing. (Two different methods -- contrast detect, or
    phase detect; phase detect uses special sensors, and is mostly limited
    to DSLRs, and is MUCH faster, and is often less accurate.)
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Jun 2, 2012
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  18. A very nice cam, indeed!
    I looked at a S95 but got the ZS-8 before the S100
    came out. Guess its been 9 months now and not 6.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Jun 2, 2012
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  19. The zs-8 fit my specs but may not fit yours.
    The zs-10 and zs-20 have full HD, fast sensor, gps.
    SavageDuck suggested the G11 and S100.
    I looked at the G12 and S95. Those are great cams but did
    not fit my specs. I did not want pop up flash and needed more zoom.
    Pop up flash gets the flash further away from the lens for a
    better photo but I can see it easily getting broken in my line
    of work.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Jun 2, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 2012-06-01 22:45:00 -0700, Paul in Houston TX <> said:
    :
    : > Savageduck wrote:
    : >> On 2012-06-01 21:59:23 -0700, Paul in Houston TX <> said:
    : >>
    : >>> bad sector wrote:
    : >>>>
    : >>>> I don't really want any $1k+ digital kit because my experience with
    : >>>> digital anything has been that it goes for a crap and soon regardless
    : >>>> of how expensive it was. Still have my 35mm SLR Nikon and it still
    : >>>> works, must be like 18 years old but since the digitals have arrived I
    : >>>> have gone through four of them, they were all loaded with features I
    : >>>> had no use for, none could go out in -35c, and all just quit working or
    : >>>> degraded to the point of being unusable :-(
    : >>>>
    : >>>> I could go for a P&S but none that I've seen has AF override.
    : >>>
    : >>> I did extensive research on point and shoots about 6 months ago,
    : >>> read, compared, took notes, went to stores, held about 30 in hand.
    : >>> I would have liked a manual focus override but evidently there
    : >>> is no such thing on P&S.
    : >>> I settled on a Panasonic ZS-8 and am quite happy with it.
    : >>
    : >> Both my Canon G11 and Fujifilm E900 have manual focus. Both of those
    : >> are perhaps not strictly P&S cameras. However compared to my DSLRs they
    : >> are positively tiny, but not shirt pocketable, unless you have a
    : >> particularly baggy shirt pocket.
    : >
    : > Both very nice cameras. I came close to buying a G12
    : > but really needed a shirt pocket cam. Sometimes I have to
    : > climb structures at refineries and and chem plants and take
    : > photos using one hand while I hang on for dear life with
    : > the other hand. Easy to do in my 30's, not so easy now in
    : > my 60's. :)
    : > It was the recommendation of posters here that I check
    : > out B&H and am quite happy I did.
    :
    : In that case the Canon S series might also be a good place to check.
    : The S100 has all that you require; full manual, RAW, IS, 1080p24 HD,
    : built-in GPS, and a good reputation.
    : ...and very shirt pocketable.
    : < http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons100/ >

    Or you might look for a used S90 or S95. My daughter had an S90 before she got
    her S100. She told me she actually liked the S90 better, although she admitted
    that it may just be that she still has some learning to do.

    My daughter has three young children and is very hard on cameras. When she
    gets a new one, it's usually because she's wrecked her old one. But she's far
    from a newbie, and I think her opinion can be trusted.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jun 2, 2012
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