Fuming mad, unscheduled replacement camera suggestions?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by bad sector, May 30, 2012.

  1. Nor having any idea how far to jump.
    Lateral CA. A lens error.
    Yes. Different amounts, too. Photozone.de tests for it.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 10, 2012
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  2. Yes, that's what I meant -- software could see those more disguised
    subtle shifts of colour that I can't.
    Not necessarily. In the early days of word processing it was widely
    believed that WYSIWYG word processors were technically
    impossible. Once someone clever and independent enough to be able to
    design and implement one despite "everyone knows that's impossible",
    then everyone realised it could be done, and soon everyone was doing
    it.

    Same with spreadsheets. Back in the days when the Apple II was the
    only spreadsheet going Esso accountants were buying up Apples out of
    petty cash to do their spreadsheet work. Then they got a memo from
    Central Computing forbidding this acquisition of unapproved computer
    resources. They must first submit their requirements to Central
    Computing, who would decide how the facility should best be acquired.

    So the accountants photocopied the spec of the Apple II spreadsheet,
    removing all refs to Apple etc., and sent it to Central Computing as
    their requirement. After much deliberation they replied that
    unfortunately what the accountants wanted was impossible. Not just
    expensive, difficult, or impractical, but theoretically absolutely
    impossible to do on any computer.

    Mirth all round and egg on face for the technical experts of Central
    Computing! The history of computing is full of such delights. I said
    "ingenuity/education of the programmers they employ" because I know
    they'd have to be clever and ingenious and independent enough to take
    on the challenge despite the "obvious" reasons why it can't be done at
    the speeds required. Such people are rare, and often unrecognised by
    the managers who employ them.

    But once the problem has been solved, the solution will quite likely
    be simple and obvious :)
     
    Chris Malcolm, Jun 11, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    This was more a question of improved computing power and better
    monitors than a *gee-whiz* break through.
    I was running a spread sheet on a Z80-powered Cromemco before the
    Apple II hit the market.
    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Jun 12, 2012
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  4. Now, I never heard anybody suggest it was impossible. Well, it was
    impossible on on character-cell terminals that couldn't represent fonts
    and such; but that's a different level. On graphics systems, it was
    obviously possible, just difficult. (I've been developing software
    professionally since 1969.)
    Again, silly people. Small minds.
    Nope, implementing a WYSIWYG word processor is not simple.

    It's also not entirely clear it's that useful.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Jun 12, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Me too. I was running Supercalc on a CP/M machine, before I bought my
    AppleII.
     
    PeterN, Jun 12, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    I was running whatever I was running before SuperCalc also. I can't
    recall its name but it had an interface quite different from Visicalc
    and the like. As I recall it, it was constructed line by line with a
    script. I do remember that it worked very well and I used it for
    detailed budgeting.

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Jun 12, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    I used it for financial projections and tax analysis. My CP/M machine
    was used by my secretary and I had little access to it. Also, that
    machine could not be used with anything by the daisy wheel printer it
    came with. It was a Lanier word processor that cost a little over 14K. I
    wanted my financial projections to be done on a dot matrix printer, so
    they looked computer generated. At that time there as a strong
    perception of accuracy of any financial documents that were computer
    prepared. In less than three months my Apple II and Epson dot matrix
    were paid for through additional billings that were generated.
     
    PeterN, Jun 13, 2012
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    bad sector Guest

    received my nikon d3200 today

    After clarifying the manual focus issue of the canon sx260 (there is one
    and it's not bad at all) I ordered it and received it. Canon support was
    A-1 throughout! Unfortunately upon unpacking I saw a deal-breaker I had
    missed completely so I sent it back (no strap hooks either). It seems
    like a good camera, far ahead of the Nikon p&s lot, and would have fit
    my needs but it had an intergral lens cover very similar to that on my
    first p&s (can't recall the make) which jammed with sand and junk in my
    pocket. The first time it was replaced on warranty (I had to pay 2-way
    shipping) the next time it was already off warranty so I threw it in the
    garbage. The sx260 is a camera I can recommend with the above proviso, I
    went throught the specs I don't know how many times. The D3200 has
    features many of which I don't need and misses many I do need and is a
    much solicited camera but that comes at TWICE the price. As I said I
    leaned toward Nikon because of previous experience, if anything pisses
    me off with this one then the next one is sure to be a Canon.

    Thanks to one and all for the guidance & opinions!
     
    bad sector, Jun 21, 2012
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    bad sector Guest

    I pack into 5 or more pockets what the wife packs into one purse, the
    difference is that I never had any nicad fires in my pockets :)
     
    bad sector, Jun 23, 2012
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  10. Lesson: Don't put cameras to the sand and junk in your
    pocket. You ought to have learned that by now. Use a real
    camera bag you don't use as sand carrier.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 24, 2012
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    Dallas Guest


    Na.. must be a fuzzy memory. The first spreadsheet program was VisiCalc
    and it ran on the Apple II.
     
    Dallas, Jun 24, 2012
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  12. Yes, I'd forgotten those. But the point is they were big heavy and
    expensive compared to the Apple II. You couldn't buy one out of petty
    cash just as a spreadsheet tool, which you could with the
    Apple. That's what the Esso accountants in London started doing. To
    buy a Cromenko they'd have had to go through the computer systems
    dept, but the Apple was within their petty cash limits.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Jun 25, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    The Cromemco would do much more than the Apple. But my point was there
    never was a time when the AppleII had the only spreadsheet going.
    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Jun 25, 2012
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    J. Clarke Guest

    I'm curious as to what spreadsheet ran on a Cromemco in 1977. Visicalc
    is generally regarded as the first spreadsheet and it didn't ship until
    1979.

    <snip>
     
    J. Clarke, Jun 27, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    As I previously wrote:

    "I was running whatever I was running before SuperCalc also. I can't
    recall its name but it had an interface quite different from
    Visicalc and the like. As I recall it, it was constructed line by
    line with a script. I do remember that it worked very well and I
    used it for detailed budgeting."

    I've been much digging since writing that and I suspect I may have
    been using 'Autoplan'. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spreadsheet

    Even Visicalc was built on the work of others. See
    http://dssresources.com/history/mattessichspreadsheet.htm

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Jun 27, 2012
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    bad sector Guest

    much easier not to buy poorly engineered stuff ..not that the d3200
    would be a stranger to that either (first impressions like).

    As for the lens cover I would devise a flip up type with a soft rubber
    seal instead of overprojecting edges that can catch in something. I'd
    have it spring loaded & soleniod released like a flash hood. When
    finger-pressed closed against the rubber seal it would be latched so it
    cannot be opened without electrical unlatching and nothing could drift
    past the seal while peaople play volleyball around it on the beach.
    'Nuff, let'em chew on this for a year.
     
    bad sector, Jun 28, 2012
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  17. I'm afraid only underwater and completely sand tight cameras
    would be OK for your misusage.

    "flip up", huh? Yeah, that's a good idea if you want to block
    the flash and to have it break off easily, too.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 29, 2012
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