Getting back into medium format B/W

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Jim Stewart, Jan 28, 2009.

  1. Jim Stewart

    Jim Stewart Guest

    I'm bored with the D70 and the race to buy
    yet another image stabilized monster zoom
    lens. I'm dusting off the Hasselblad and
    getting back into real photography except
    that I can't buy my favorite film and developer
    (APX 100 and Rodinal) any more.

    What are you folks using for under ISO 100
    B/W film and developer these days? I prefer
    nice mid tones, highlight blocking forgiveness
    and easy to work with.

    I also tried to rejoin the old Hasselblad
    mailing list and I get a server error when
    I try to confirm my email address. Is it
    still alive?
     
    Jim Stewart, Jan 28, 2009
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  2. Jim Stewart

    Bob S. Guest

    APX 100 Film:
    http://www.google.com/products?q=ap...a=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

    Rodinal Developer:

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...b=ps&pn=1&ci=0&A=search&shs=Rodinal Developer

    Google is your friend......
     
    Bob S., Jan 28, 2009
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  3. Jim Stewart

    Jim Stewart Guest

    Jim Stewart, Jan 28, 2009
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    Joel Guest

    I haven't used film for over a decade to know much about what has been
    going on with film world lately. But I do know my grandson got interested
    in B&W and she took couple courses (photography and darkroom) in his
    univercity where he studied (last years).

    About boring, it seems like you may get more involved in post processing
    as I have been using Photoshop for more than a decade and still enjoy newer
    improvement.
     
    Joel, Jan 28, 2009
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  5. Jim Stewart

    Noons Guest

    Jim Stewart wrote,on my timestamp of 28/01/2009 1:58 PM:
    Oh yes you can.

    Ilford PanF on Rodinal 1:200, still development.
    Go to APUG for all the details.


    don't bother, just join APUG.
     
    Noons, Jan 28, 2009
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  6. Jim Stewart

    jimkramer Guest

    Try Fuji Neopan Acros 100. If you insist on something slower try Ilford's
    Pan F 50. Though in all honestly the HP5+ @ 400 is a fine film.

    -Jim
     
    jimkramer, Jan 28, 2009
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  7. If you find it you can always buy in balk and freeze it. I used to keep
    boxes of 4x5 Tri-X in my freezer. You can also freeze paper, but it
    takes a lot more space.

    Unlike you, I still have my 4x5 camera but I am enjoying digital too
    much. I could never get decent color development in the darkroom but it
    is easy with digital. The funny thing is B&W used to be a problem in
    digital until I found the right printer.

    I have even scanned my old 4x5 negs! I can do a lot more with them
    using DxO and LightZone than I ever could in the darkroom. I thought I
    might give up resolution until I learned prints beyond about 300 dpi
    were overkill and you can get away with much less at the right viewing
    distance.
     
    Robert Peirce, Jan 28, 2009
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  8. Jim Stewart

    Joel Guest

    I too find it's much easier with digital than film, but of course it
    requires quite a bit of post processing know how, and enjoyment. I still
    enjoy B&W (most older folks still do too) but I am ok with regular photolab.

    And you are correct about printing B&W as now some ink companies make
    special Black and Grey in cartridges (to replace the color cartridges) for
    many different models of inkjet printers (Epson and HP etc.)
    I had to scan few times but never enjoy the result of scanner comparing to
    DSLR. Also, I don't have film scanner but flat bed with built-in option to
    scan negative film, and they were beaten up negatives.
     
    Joel, Jan 28, 2009
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  9. I scan 4x5 on a flatbed scanner but I use a film scanner for 35mm. I
    have heard some of the newer flatbeds can do a decent job on 35mm, but I
    have always felt a film scanner was required for home use. Actually, I
    have read you can send negatives and slides out to be scanned at super
    high resolution, but I have never tried that. I have no idea of the
    best way to go with medium format.

    The 4x5 scans print very nicely up to 12x15. My printer only goes to
    13" wide and I like a little margin. You can use DxO filmpack to add
    some Tri-X grain if you desire. I have been less happy with the 35mm
    scans as well as scans from printed pictures. They are okay enlarged to
    4x6 (35mm), or printed at 1:1 (scanned pictures), but that is about it.
     
    Robert Peirce, Jan 28, 2009
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  10. Jim Stewart

    Joel Guest

    My flatbed scanner with option to scan negative film was "Epson
    Perfection" scanner. And before higher resolution digital camera was first
    available to public I was kinda ok with the result of scanner (I started
    with 2-3 Logitech greyscale hand-held scanners, then 2-3 regular flatbed
    scanners, and Epson Perfection was the last one.

    I have never totally happy with neither scanner on neither photo or 35mm
    film. I don't know may be someone else have no problem, but I like to work
    on small detail and those 50MP scanned photo (few mentioned film equal to
    around 50MP digital DSLR camera) seems less detail than 1-3MP digital.

    Yup! I sure can print up to around 8x10 but quality was just kinda ok.
     
    Joel, Jan 29, 2009
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    Bob S. Guest

    Jim,

    The link had 3 pages - it was on page 2. Granted it's not much but
    it's out there.

    Bob S.
     
    Bob S., Jan 29, 2009
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  12. Jim Stewart

    Noons Guest

    Joel wrote,on my timestamp of 29/01/2009 11:00 AM:


    Has it ever crossed your mind that if you use an inferior scanner, you might get
    inferior results?

    You want detail from film? Here is an image from a scan of 35mm film:
    http://wizofoz2k.deviantart.com/art/colourful-rescue-98461919
    (click on image to see larger)

    Here is a real life crop of the original scan at 21MP:
    http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/latest/colourful rescue - crop.jpg

    Here is a real life crop at exactly same size and mag of a Canon 5DM2 image:
    http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/latest/5d2 cap.jpg

    Not bad for a 1-3MP digital, it simply blows away the detail on the 5DM2.

    For a media that according to you has the same detail as 1-3MP digital, I'd say
    you either don't have a clue how to use a film camera or there is something
    fundamentally wrong with how you scanned. My guess is that like so many others,
    you've been told Epson flatbeds are the be-all-end-all of film scanning, and you
    believed it.

    Ah well...
     
    Noons, Jan 29, 2009
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  13. Jim Stewart

    Peter Guest

    Which printer. I have been using an outside lab, but am getting cranky about
    the constant redos. I've played with the Epson 2880 and will probably get
    it, but I would really like other opinions.
     
    Peter, Jan 29, 2009
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  14. Jim Stewart

    Peter Guest


    You could get a digital back for the Blad. But that is big bucks.
     
    Peter, Jan 29, 2009
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