Gone with the what?

Discussion in 'Australia Photography' started by Alienjones, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. Alienjones

    Alienjones Guest

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    I've long been fascinated with the set construction skills and the
    backdrop paintings of the people who created the scenes for films like
    "Gone with the wind" and other famous productions.

    Capturing the essence of the moment with the classic and timeless
    imagery of an era long past is occupying my time more and more.

    Doing it with a digital camera and without poisonous and ecologically
    damaging chemicals is a real bonus... For me anyway.

    This Russian wedding was a true story of love. She arrived (for the
    umteenth time in the past year) a few days before the wedding without
    more than a few phrases of English.

    He loved here from the minute they met in Moscow all those years ago. No
    expense spared is a good way to describe this wedding. And why not?
    They'll see precious little of each other for a while. They must part
    again soon whilst she waits for approval to migrate to Australia.

    I haven't enjoyed a wedding like I enjoyed this love story for years.
    What's wrong with this country that we let the rif-raf in but wealthy
    and talented people have to go through hell to come here?

    Despite the trolls and idiots who wait, ready to pounce, I'll share this
    one with those who care about photography and the story it can tell and
    visit here for that alone.

    http://www.douglasjames.com.au/previews/romance.htm

    Nikon D3,
    Nikon AF 85mm f1.4D IF Lenses
    Photoshop CS3 for the effects.
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    from Douglas,
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    Alienjones, Apr 30, 2008
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  2. hmm
    shiny nose on the bride
    groom looks like he is about to take her eye out with his nose
    at least the focus is sharp on the brides shiny nose :)
     
    Atheist Chaplain, Apr 30, 2008
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  3. Alienjones

    Annika1980 Guest


    Beat me to it! It's hard to believe that any "Sought-after
    Professional Wedding Photographer with over 30 years experience" would
    claim that one. He admitted to using CS3 (probably a cracked version)
    so how could he miss those hotspots on her nose and cheek?

    All in all, a good one to add to the collection.
     
    Annika1980, Apr 30, 2008
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  4. Alienjones

    JT's Ghost Guest

    Not really sure I like the effects... I do like the fact that the image
    does capture the moment, which is after all the whole purpose.


    - JT
    thanks for sharing
     
    JT's Ghost, Apr 30, 2008
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  5. Alienjones

    Alienjones Guest

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    Annika1980 wrote:
    |> hmm
    |> shiny nose on the bride
    |> groom looks like he is about to take her eye out with his nose
    |> at least the focus is sharp on the brides shiny nose :)
    |
    |
    | Beat me to it! It's hard to believe that any "Sought-after
    | Professional Wedding Photographer with over 30 years experience" would
    | claim that one. He admitted to using CS3 (probably a cracked version)
    | so how could he miss those hotspots on her nose and cheek?
    |
    | All in all, a good one to add to the collection.
    |
    |
    |
    Oh I see.
    Odd that someone living in the "deep south" couldn't see the connection
    between gone with the wind and the steamy heat of the moment, given that
    I led into it with an introduction based on the concept.

    Next time I post a picture of an Ice sculpture - like to one this couple
    had for a wedding cake, I'll be sure to remove the water drops so your
    lack comprehension for a scene's elements doesn't show up and
    demonstrate the real lack of anything artistic in your pictures.

    This is why I keep telling you, you know nothing about photography.
    Unless you can grasp the feeling of a scene, how can you ever explore
    the creativity needed to be a good photographer?


    from Douglas,
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    Alienjones, Apr 30, 2008
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  6. the fact still remains that you touched up the photo with PS CS3 yet you
    still left in the Brides shiny nose, not only that, by leaving it as the
    sharp centre of focus its a beacon drawing the eye right to it, and as to
    all your backdrop crap at least its not a 3 draw steel filing cabinet :)
    Just because you try and give a photo provenance does not instantly make it
    artistic, this photo is a prime example.
    you admit to shopping this photo, maybe you should have shopped out the
    reflected glare from the Brides nose, and maybe lightened her nose a bit,
    then she won't look like she has had a bit to much to drink.
     
    Atheist Chaplain, Apr 30, 2008
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    TRoss Guest

    I think you effectively captured an important theme that runs
    throughout the story - actions that are impulsive and capricious
    actions often produce disastrous results.


    TR
     
    TRoss, Apr 30, 2008
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    Mr.T Guest

    Why bother, it would still be just mush.
    That a supposed professional would post that as a great example of his work
    amazes me.

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Apr 30, 2008
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  9. I imagine that the photo in question will be pulled very soon, I don't think
    this was the "High Praise" he was looking for :)
     
    Atheist Chaplain, Apr 30, 2008
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    Helen Guest


    I just don't feel that special emotion here. The bride looks like
    she's about to laugh right in the groom's face. I don't feel the
    passion, the love, the emotion. The facial expression should tell it
    all, and her face lacks the emotion of kissing the man she is deeply
    in love with. It looks too staged on the bride's part.
    Helen
     
    Helen, Apr 30, 2008
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  11. Alienjones

    jdear64 Guest


    I see from your web site that with the "The Diamond Package" @$2790,
    you get "Over 100, hand made (genuine) Photographs". What makes these
    photographs "genuine" and others non-genuine?
    Are the photographs in the other packages non-genuine or just non-hand
    made? And what is a hand made photograph?
     
    jdear64, Apr 30, 2008
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    Pete D Guest

    ROFL, indeed???

    I hope it was more genuine than the crappy one he posted cos that was bloody
    aweful.
     
    Pete D, Apr 30, 2008
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  13. Alienjones

    Alienjones Guest

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    Helen wrote:
    | I've long been fascinated with the set construction skills and the
    | backdrop paintings of the people who created the scenes for films like
    | "Gone with the wind" and other famous productions.
    |
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    | I just don't feel that special emotion here. The bride looks like
    | she's about to laugh right in the groom's face. I don't feel the
    | passion, the love, the emotion. The facial expression should tell it
    | all, and her face lacks the emotion of kissing the man she is deeply
    | in love with. It looks too staged on the bride's part.
    | Helen

    Maybe that's the case?

    Maybe she doesn't feel the same emotion the groom has for kissing? Some
    people don't "feel" anything in a kiss. Who can say? And that is the
    point of the photo. To hold a viewer's interest, to ask a question...
    Create an illusion. The fact you see in the picture what no one else has
    (yet) is an important part of the art in my photography.

    Another aspect of your opinion is that this is a "masculine" photo. I
    have some taken on the same day which are feminine and many which are
    gender neutral. You may well respond entirely differently to a feminine
    version of the scene.

    My intent with this picture was to raise the expectation of romance in a
    steamy hot scene in as close to a theme of "Gone with the wind" as I
    could make it. The twist is what you picked... Not the groom who
    "frankly doesn't give a damn" but maybe the bride?

    Those who see only a photograph with less than 1% not technically to
    their liking are the real losers. If they are photographers themselves,
    then they are destined never to discover how the medium can be used for
    art as well as recording events and static scenes. I blame digital
    cameras for that.

    When you think about it, photography is not a very realistic method of
    recording events. A writer can create an illusion with a story, why not
    a photographer take the illusion of a photograph and ask a question or
    tell a story with it?

    Embrace that concept and you can also handle that monochrome photos are
    even less realistic so why not forget all about faithful recording and
    take the approach that art should harness the image and take over the
    photograph?

    It's all too easy to take technically perfect photos of mundane objects.
    What has always eluded many, many people who take up a camera and set
    about taking photos of birds and ducks and golfers is the art of the
    medium. If I didn't have a camera I would still sketch or paint my
    pictures...


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    Alienjones, Apr 30, 2008
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    Mr.T Guest

    Once upon a time it usually meant a hand processed print, rather than
    machine processed. Maybe Douglas still does his own B&W (although I doubt
    it), but I bet he doesn't do his own color. Like most of his claims, take it
    with a large mound of salt. :)

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Apr 30, 2008
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  15. Alienjones

    Mr.T Guest

    I bet your paintings would be just as bad too :)

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Apr 30, 2008
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  16. What distinguishes a professional is being able to produce the
    required results to spec and on time. They don't necessarily have to
    be good, especially in an area of fierce price competition such as
    weddings.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Apr 30, 2008
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  17. Alienjones

    Helen Guest


    I agree Douglas that a photograph should tell a story, or record a
    moment in time. Just as a painting or drawing should. This is why
    monochrome photography is used by many because they feel color gets in
    the way of telling the story. I agree in some cases, but I've seen
    plenty of superb pics in color that told a highly emotional story.

    I certainly can understand your desire to focus on a romantic
    setting. My point is that I don't feel the emotion there, and for me
    personally that's very important.

    I'd like to see your "feminine" version of the scene.

    As for someone not feeling emotion in a kiss, hell I feel sorry for
    them. If I were kissing a man I'm in love with, he would see ecstasy
    on my face and feel it in the kiss. There is nothing like long
    passionate kisses.
    Helen
     
    Helen, Apr 30, 2008
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    Alienjones Guest

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    |> I've long been fascinated with the set construction skills and the
    |> backdrop paintings of the people who created the scenes for films like
    |> "Gone with the wind" and other famous productions.
    |>
    |> Capturing the essence of the moment with the classic and timeless
    |> imagery of an era long past is occupying my time more and more.
    |>
    |> Doing it with a digital camera and without poisonous and ecologically
    |> damaging chemicals is a real bonus... For me anyway.
    |>
    |> This Russian wedding was a true story of love. She arrived (for the
    |> umteenth time in the past year) a few days before the wedding without
    |> more than a few phrases of English.
    |>
    |> He loved here from the minute they met in Moscow all those years ago. No
    |> expense spared is a good way to describe this wedding. And why not?
    |> They'll see precious little of each other for a while. They must part
    |> again soon whilst she waits for approval to migrate to Australia.
    |>
    |> I haven't enjoyed a wedding like I enjoyed this love story for years.
    |> What's wrong with this country that we let the rif-raf in but wealthy
    |> and talented people have to go through hell to come here?
    |>
    |> Despite the trolls and idiots who wait, ready to pounce, I'll share this
    |> one with those who care about photography and the story it can tell and
    |> visit here for that alone.
    |>
    |> http://www.douglasjames.com.au/previews/romance.htm
    |>
    |> Nikon D3,
    |> Nikon AF 85mm f1.4D IF Lenses
    |> Photoshop CS3 for the effects.
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    |> from Douglas,
    |
    |
    | I see from your web site that with the "The Diamond Package" @$2790,
    | you get "Over 100, hand made (genuine) Photographs". What makes these
    | photographs "genuine" and others non-genuine?
    | Are the photographs in the other packages non-genuine or just non-hand
    | made? And what is a hand made photograph?

    Hand made refers to individually corrected photos as opposed to those
    pumped out from a camera's flash card at a kiosk or mini lab.

    Genuine photographs refers to photographs developed in chemicals as
    opposed to "digital" prints which are made on a glorified laser printer
    or dye sublimation printer.

    Almost no modern day processing labs use optical printing anymore. It's
    pretty much all digital. I use a digital head on a Durst, 4x5 enlarger
    to make genuine hand made photographs on real photo paper. The
    difference is visible.

    Apart from the Mitsubishi processor I have for developing these genuine
    photographs, I also use dye Sublimation prints for some applications
    where on-the-spot delivery is required. Sometimes I use these in budget
    priced albums for convenience.

    I also use an inkjet (HP Z2400) wide format printer for canvas prints
    and any photographic prints larger than I can put through my processor.

    The idiots who respond with their own form of useless banter are just
    plain old fashioned idiots with no interest in photography. They just
    get their rocks off taking the mickey out of working photographers.

    Those who are recent arrivals on the scene of Usenet, had the ability to
    learn from there peer's bad behavior and adopted anonymous names.

    Because I conduct some of my business on the Internet and have been a
    part of it since the early '90s when I used my real name and later
    provided information about my business that in hindsight, I should have
    kept to myself, I am now exposed to these idiots pranks.

    The trolls and idiots love to play not just with themselves but with
    taunts and insults against anyone they can positively identify and know
    can't or won't do anything about it.

    I imagine they have an extra orgasm every time they see a post from me
    ....thinking they are scoring big time when I reply. The sad fact is,
    they are only exposing themselves as the fools they have always been and
    will always be.

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    Alienjones, Apr 30, 2008
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    Rob. Guest

    Pete

    Why bother looking its all crap, or plagiarized

    r
     
    Rob., Apr 30, 2008
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    Rob. Guest

    Alienjones wrote:

    LOL its just Crap
     
    Rob., Apr 30, 2008
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