Gone with the what?

Discussion in 'Australia Photography' started by Alienjones, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

    : I imagine that the photo in question will be pulled very soon, I don't think
    : this was the "High Praise" he was looking for :)

    Three days later, and it's still there. ;^)
     
    Robert Coe, May 3, 2008
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  2. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

    : Not really sure I like the effects... I do like the fact that the image
    : does capture the moment, which is after all the whole purpose.

    What moment? It captures the moment the picture was taken. How
    self-referential is that?

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 3, 2008
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  3. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

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    : Helen wrote:
    : | I've long been fascinated with the set construction skills and the
    : | backdrop paintings of the people who created the scenes for films like
    : | "Gone with the wind" and other famous productions.
    : |
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    : | I just don't feel that special emotion here. The bride looks like
    : | she's about to laugh right in the groom's face. I don't feel the
    : | passion, the love, the emotion. The facial expression should tell it
    : | all, and her face lacks the emotion of kissing the man she is deeply
    : | in love with. It looks too staged on the bride's part.
    : | Helen
    :
    : Maybe that's the case?
    :
    : Maybe she doesn't feel the same emotion the groom has for kissing? Some
    : people don't "feel" anything in a kiss. Who can say? And that is the
    : point of the photo. To hold a viewer's interest, to ask a question...
    : Create an illusion. The fact you see in the picture what no one else has
    : (yet) is an important part of the art in my photography.
    :
    : Another aspect of your opinion is that this is a "masculine" photo. I
    : have some taken on the same day which are feminine and many which are
    : gender neutral. You may well respond entirely differently to a feminine
    : version of the scene.
    :
    : My intent with this picture was to raise the expectation of romance in a
    : steamy hot scene in as close to a theme of "Gone with the wind" as I
    : could make it. The twist is what you picked... Not the groom who
    : "frankly doesn't give a damn" but maybe the bride?
    :
    : Those who see only a photograph with less than 1% not technically to
    : their liking are the real losers. If they are photographers themselves,
    : then they are destined never to discover how the medium can be used for
    : art as well as recording events and static scenes. I blame digital
    : cameras for that.
    :
    : When you think about it, photography is not a very realistic method of
    : recording events. A writer can create an illusion with a story, why not
    : a photographer take the illusion of a photograph and ask a question or
    : tell a story with it?
    :
    : Embrace that concept and you can also handle that monochrome photos are
    : even less realistic so why not forget all about faithful recording and
    : take the approach that art should harness the image and take over the
    : photograph?
    :
    : It's all too easy to take technically perfect photos of mundane objects.
    : What has always eluded many, many people who take up a camera and set
    : about taking photos of birds and ducks and golfers is the art of the
    : medium. If I didn't have a camera I would still sketch or paint my
    : pictures...

    Gibberish is the crutch of the intellectually lazy.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 3, 2008
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  4. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

    :
    : > You know that Brett cannot afford to get a (half) decent lawyer to persue
    : > the matter so you think you are safe, for my money I wouldnt be so cock
    : > sure, Brett might find someone to take it on pro bono and agree to take a
    : > cut of the proceeds from the sucesful sueing of your fat old arse.
    :
    : You are right that I couldn't afford to retain a lawyer at their
    : normal rates.
    : However, one of my biggest fans and a man I do a lot of photo work for
    : is the head of one of the largest law firms in the SE USA. (He's the
    : C in CBS)
    :
    : http://www.cbslawfirm.com/
    :
    : Mr. C.has often told me that if I ever need help in any way that he
    : would be happy to oblige. ...

    You'd better have him do it soon. By my calculation he must be at least 98
    years old.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 3, 2008
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  5. Alienjones

    Annika1980 Guest

    I believe he turns 98 later this year. Still sharp as a tack and
    still goes into work every day. He can quote books of poetry with his
    eyes closed. Last year he went to his high school class's 80th
    reunion. It was a small turnout.
     
    Annika1980, May 3, 2008
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  6. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

    : > :
    : > : Mr. C.has often told me that if I ever need help in any way that he
    : > : would be happy to oblige. ...
    : >
    : > You'd better have him do it soon. By my calculation he must be at least
    : > 98 years old.
    : >
    :
    : I believe he turns 98 later this year. Still sharp as a tack and
    : still goes into work every day. He can quote books of poetry with his
    : eyes closed. Last year he went to his high school class's 80th
    : reunion. It was a small turnout.

    I'll bet. Many years ago I went with my grandfather to his 70th reunion at
    MIT. Three members of the class showed up, which we thought was pretty damned
    good. His daughter, my aunt, just turned 105.

    Obligatory photographic content: Possibly the best portrait I ever took was of
    my aunt last year on her 104th.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 3, 2008
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  7. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

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    : RichA wrote:
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    : |> http://www.douglasjames.com.au/previews/romance.htm
    :
    : |
    : | A PONY TAIL on the guy???! I didn't know they had D3's in 1992.
    : |
    :
    : 1992? I first saw a pony tail on a guy in 1959. It's the only way to
    : keep the Sampson image and not get hair in your soup! Unless of course
    : you come across a female hairdresser - named Delila...
    :
    : There is an alternative society in Australia where people who can afford
    : to be different, often are.
    :
    : It always gives me a chuckle when a couple of my neighbors take the
    : ferry to Brisbane and get their Harley's out of a security store to
    : blast off into the wilds of suburbia... If the battery is flat they call
    : out the RACQ. Too old and feeble to kick start 'em! Ha, ha, ha.

    OK, let's see how sharp this superannuated American (who has never been south
    of the equator) is: "Royal Automobile Club of Queensland"?

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 3, 2008
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  8. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

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    : Frank Arthur wrote:
    : | What's with the dude attacking the eye of the shiny nosed girl?
    : |
    : |
    : | http://www.douglasjames.com.au/previews/romance.htm
    : |
    : | Nikon D3,
    : | Nikon AF 85mm f1.4D IF Lenses
    : | Photoshop CS3 for the effects.
    :
    : She arrived from Moscow - a relatively low humidity city - to Brisbane,
    : a city with 68% humidity and 28C temperature.
    :
    : A similar climate to where "gone with the wind" was set in. Perspiration
    : (ladies don't sweat) was a natural consequence of the climate change.

    They don't?? Is that a Russian (or Australian) tradition? They sure as Hell do
    in Atlanta (where GWtW was set and where 68%/28C is just a pleasant spring
    day).

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 4, 2008
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  9. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

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    : > Frank Arthur wrote:
    : > | What's with the dude attacking the eye of the shiny nosed girl?
    : > |
    : > |
    : > | http://www.douglasjames.com.au/previews/romance.htm
    : > |
    : > | Nikon D3,
    : > | Nikon AF 85mm f1.4D IF Lenses
    : > | Photoshop CS3 for the effects.
    : >
    : > She arrived from Moscow - a relatively low humidity city - to Brisbane,
    : > a city with 68% humidity and 28C temperature.
    : >
    : > A similar climate to where "gone with the wind" was set in. Perspiration
    : > (ladies don't sweat) was a natural consequence of the climate change.
    : >
    : > Have you no romance in your soul, Frank?
    :
    : Your DESCRIPTION of the photo is syrupy romantic and flowery, but the PHOTO
    : looks like she's asking him, "Why are you sticking your nose in my eye?"

    She's actually asking him, "Did you ever call the airline and ask them why my
    bags haven't cleared customs?"

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 4, 2008
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  10. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

    : Oh, [the bride and groom] are pleased [with the picture I took of them]
    : Rita. And thank you for your comment.
    :
    : Ignoring the trolls... It would seem an equal divide between those who
    : like it and those who don't. I rate that as a very successful piece.
    :
    : My style is such that many of the young brides I show these pieces to,
    : have never heard of "Gone with the wind" or Clark Gable. Half like them,
    : half don't.

    You're comparing Clark Gable's performance in "Gone With the Wind" to that
    sleepy-looking doofus in the picture? You have *got* to be kidding.

    : Just like half want vintage cars and half want the latest model for
    : their wedding. Developing a unique style goes a long way towards
    : cementing the foundations of a sound Photographic business.
    :
    : What was that saying about pleasing the people? You can't all the people
    : all the time or some such phrase!

    "You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some
    of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." - often
    attributed to Abraham Lincoln, but I'm not sure he's actually the one who said
    it.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 4, 2008
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  11. Alienjones

    Helen Guest


    " You're comparing Clark Gable's performance in "Gone With the Wind"
    to that
    sleepy-looking doofus in the picture? You have *got* to be kidding."

    LOL!
    This is the same guy who compares himself to Mel Gibson!
     
    Helen, May 4, 2008
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  12. Alienjones

    RobertJM Guest

    Fool.



    Instead of please, that is ;)
     
    RobertJM, May 4, 2008
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  13. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

    :
    : : > On Thu, 01 May 2008 13:07:21 +1000, Alienjones
    : > <>
    : > wrote:
    : > : Oh, [the bride and groom] are pleased [with the picture I took of them]
    : > : Rita. And thank you for your comment.
    : > :
    : > : Ignoring the trolls... It would seem an equal divide between those who
    : > : like it and those who don't. I rate that as a very successful piece.
    : > :
    : > : My style is such that many of the young brides I show these pieces to,
    : > : have never heard of "Gone with the wind" or Clark Gable. Half like them,
    : > : half don't.
    : >
    : > You're comparing Clark Gable's performance in "Gone With the Wind" to that
    : > sleepy-looking doofus in the picture? You have *got* to be kidding.
    : >
    : > : Just like half want vintage cars and half want the latest model for
    : > : their wedding. Developing a unique style goes a long way towards
    : > : cementing the foundations of a sound Photographic business.
    : > :
    : > : What was that saying about pleasing the people? You can't all the people
    : > : all the time or some such phrase!
    : >
    : > "You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people
    : > some
    : > of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." -
    : > often
    : > attributed to Abraham Lincoln, but I'm not sure he's actually the one who
    : > said
    : > it.
    : >
    : > Bob
    :
    : Fool.
    :
    :
    :
    : Instead of please, that is ;)

    Of course you're right!! I must be letting Doug play games with my mind!
    Ouch!!!

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 4, 2008
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  14. Alienjones

    Alienjones Guest

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    | OK, let's see how sharp this superannuated American (who has never
    been south
    | of the equator) is: "Royal Automobile Club of Queensland"?
    |
    | Bob

    Another old fart with nothing better to do than show up his arrogance
    and ignorance at the same time. You had the time to research the name
    yet you waste your time trying to look so stupid you can't use the
    research to figure out what it means.

    You know there have been some fools replying to this thread but none as
    big a fool as you.

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    Alienjones, May 4, 2008
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  15. Alienjones

    Robert Coe Guest

    :
    : Robert Coe wrote:
    : | OK, let's see how sharp this superannuated American (who has never
    : | been south of the equator) is: "Royal Automobile Club of Queensland"?
    : |
    : | Bob
    :
    : Another old fart with nothing better to do than show up his arrogance
    : and ignorance at the same time.

    I hate to break this to you, but in my part of the world, it's not considered
    ignorance to not know the full name of some Australian towing service.

    : You had the time to research the name yet you waste your time trying to look
    : so stupid you can't use the research to figure out what it means.

    Yeah, I could have looked it up, but I was too lazy. And I sort of thought you
    were encouraging us to guess by not spelling it out. Anyway, I notice that you
    didn't answer the question; I certainly won't be so gauche as to suggest that
    even you don't know. ;^)

    : You know there have been some fools replying to this thread but none as
    : big a fool as you.

    Why, thank you, Doug, and the same to you. Do I now rate a spot on your
    enemies list, along with Bret and most of the rest of the gang? I've tried to
    participate in these discussions without taking sides in your little spat; but
    if I have to take up the verbal cudgel now and then, I'll try to pull my
    weight.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 4, 2008
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  16. yeah but now it is an *example* that was only posted to enliven the groups
    with debate!!
    :)
     
    Atheist Chaplain, May 4, 2008
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  17. Oh I wouldn't go that far, your still replying to this thread :)
     
    Atheist Chaplain, May 4, 2008
    #97
  18. All this is straying from the subject of your masterpiece.

    I'd still like to know how (in your words) "capturing the essence of the
    moment with the classic and timeless imagery of an era long past" was
    accomplished by having the short guy stick his nose in the eye of the girl
    whose face you have made so blotchy.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, May 4, 2008
    #98
  19. "Because all my makeup is in them that I need to fix up my blotchy face"?

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, May 4, 2008
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  20. Remarkably so -- or perhaps he's legally blind, which would seem to be a
    severe commercial disadvantage for a professional photographer. I don't see
    how he could have missed the fact that he's made her face blotchy, a
    distinct line down her right cheek and across her face under the nose, her
    face darker above the line.

    In his case, I think crap is a style. Hey, everyone has a right to his own
    style.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, May 4, 2008
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