Good bye everyone. Not a rant, well, not a big rant.

There is just too much flaming here. It upsets me to see others get flame, I
am ashamed of myself finding myself flaming others in response and with
folks like Owamanga who say extremely cruel things and then turn around and
say they were only playing, I am reminded of a bull in the china closet of
people's minds knocking and smashing things and having no idea why their
"Playing" is undesireable and demoralizing, I am forced to conclude that I
am unwise to remain here.

Farewell to everyone here, take care, enjoy your hobby and the best of luck
to you.

I might be a lurker, but that depends on what I read. I don't have a lot to
contribute because I am just a new one, so I guess there isn't much loss if
any on your parts.

I am not leaving because I'm a quitter, or because I am an emotional wimp, I
am leaving because I have enough problems in my life and I don't need to add
to them and I don't need to relate them any more nor will it be of any good
to you folks to read them, I am leaving because it is the wise choice and
the best choice for me, to protect myself. Demorlization, the weakening of
integrity and good qualities in a person by personal attacks designed to
make them feel rotton, worthless and no good is the the delight of evil
beings, but the bane of those struggling to be a better kinder person, and
is nothing more than slow murder by degrees. I refuse to attend a forum
where a few spoil it for everyone else by particpating in demoralizing
personal attacks on people they know nothing about.

Sorry.

 

Get some skin thickener. You'll need it in the REAL world.

 

Anyone got have a map?

.....I'll show you where the people who *care* live.

For God's sake dude, lighten up. 99.999% of the messages here don't
mention you, pills, imaginary friends or pretending to be God.

But, I somehow don't think I'm getting through to you. I'll adjust my
writing style to be more like yours and maybe then you'll understand.

<kook on>
As your hero once said: "Life is like a box of chocolates". Flashbulb
gerbils. I before E except after C except in the word seaside. He said
"nooooo, don't nail a sprout to his head". Mullets, space mullets.
Blinky bishop, that *is* a slantly house, and remember to floss every
night.

How many beans make five? A bean, a bean and a half, half a bean, two
beans.

Why is a mouse when it spins? - because the higher they go the fewer.

He commented that he had never had a disagreement with his sister,
only to be reminded that he had tried to set her on fire when they
were children. Agggh, we are falling out of...
<kook off>

Is that clear now darling?

 

Hey Garry,

Why not just stick UC, Owamanga et al into a killfile and be done with it?
Generally speaking and not refering to individuals, we need more signal and
less noise in this group... or any group in fact. I see this kind of thing
happening in many newsgroups. Plenty of people announce their leaving
because of signal-to-noise ratio and continuous trolling/flaming. It's
probably never going to go away. Fortunately, most trolls do not
continuously change their handle to avoid kill files, so in 95% of cases you
can simply killfile people. It makes for better reading.

regards,
grol.

 

You just proved my point. Let me get right to brass tacks.

Your constant refrerences to my taking pills, Your disrespect and
insinuations that I suffer from some sort of psychosis and meglomania and
your snide non-productive remarks and references to an imagined LOW IQ
because of the references to Forrest Gump directed AT ME, mark you as an
asshole par extreme who takes joy out of flaming people and is not
appropriate behavior to undulge your sick sadistic urges in a public venue
no matter what language you put it in.

Your anti-social responses identify you as a sadistic sicko that gets his
jollies out of trying to evoke misery and demoralization in others. The
bible refers to such sociopaths as "Stupid" and says those having dealings
with the stupid ones will fare badly. It also says that "Bad associations
destroy useful habits as in this case via demoralization."

You are both stupid and a bad choice of a person to associate with and my
opinion will remain as long as you continue to stab me with your verbal
swords and than stand back laughing and saying hey, I was only playing!!

I could get a thicker skin, but that also is spoken of, and is equated with
developing a lack of compassion and other rare qualities. I will not lighten
up, if it comes at the expense of lack of compassion and caring about
others, qualities that you completely lack!

Whether you are an asshole or are just acting like one makes no difference
whatsoever except that if its only an act, than there is hope for you else,
there is no other conclusion to make than to decide that you are a sob that
doesn't deserve to live and that it's time for me to find a newsreader that
has a killfile function. I could just skip reading your messages, but I find
my curiosity overrides my common sense for I saw one message from you to
someone else which did contain something of value, otherwise, your messages
are completely worthless to me!

 

I see you use OE6. Open a message from Owamanga, right-click the sender's
name and select "block sender". No more references to pills or psychosis
from him will ever be read in that newsreader, unless you read it quoted in
someone's reply. Block UC also. Then sit back and enjoy alt.photography.

grol

 

Wow. Thank you so much. I was just looking up how to "Plonk" and your timely
response is most appreciated. Now I can also stop adding to the noise ratio
as well.

Thanks kindly!

 

No problem. It'd be really sad to see the trolls win.
grol

 

I recognize this immediately;
Shakespeare - Macbeth, Act 4, Scene 2.

 

This is what I call fatigue. You lose interest in the NG, or tire of dealing
with the crap that people post. Some people really do post dumb questions
some times. A perfect example just took place on the motorcycle group I
follow. This kid posts that he is getting a one day motorcycle racing school
for a graduation present, and was asking if anyone had heard of the school
he was going to.. Not even a week later, the SAME kid posts and asked if
anyone had experience with putting Nitrous on their bikes, because he wants
to put Nitrous on his bike. Not too bright.
As for the flaming, you may notice there are a few 'regulars' in different
groups. Almost like a group of old buddies that hang out at the pub. They
tend to poke fun at eachother, it may not always sound all that nice, but
they are just teasing eachother.
Most the time, when someone posts a legitimate question, with a good
explanation of what they are trying to do, then they will often get a good
answer. If someone posts "my camera wont focus, what's wrong?" then they
need to be bitch-slapped.

 

Some times, your ISP kills them for you! However, its also entertaining at
times when you KNOW they are a total idiot.
Some people get a power trip out of it... hiding behind their screen name,
its like a hockey mask. It just takes a little time to figure out who
everyone is, and what to look for in the posts to get the 'tone' of the
poster.

 

Yeah dude, you've got the same problem? I can't get mine to focus either,
what's wrong? ;-)
grol

 

I noticed that my af on my Nikon d70 seems to go out of focus without me or
the subject moving. I still can work around it. The other time, it was
because I did not put the viewfinder right up to my face, because I can't
see any better than a cheeseball without my glasses on.

I had to just learn to work with it. At least it's better than it was
without he operation. Before, I couldn't see two inches.

As for the flaming, I think I had a lot of it coming. I have difficulty
concentrating so I sometimes end up posting stuff that has nothing to do
with the topic, or what I'm trying to say and then twenty minutes later, I
go back and re-read my post and I shake my head in dismay at myself and
total befuddlement about what large portions of what I posted had to do with
anything and then go fix it because usually I post where I can fix such
ramblings, but that isn't the case here. It's as if I just skip a track
mid-thought. It isn't serious, I know what is wrong, but that don't help
others understand nor does it excuse me. I have had to learn to be careful
never to post when I'm not fully awake or when I'm tired or I'll post all
sorts of inane drivel.

 

Then they aren't really trolls.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

The op has so far in this group talked about killing himself, having
his heart broken, his health, his mental history, and all of his
personal problems. Who's the troll?

 

You are obviously immune to my sense of humor. I'd rank that last post
as a top ten for the year.

What others? I see no others.

So, now you are flaming me and using the Bible for ammunition? Do you
still maintain that you don't like playing God?

More flame. Have I ever said such things to you, called you any names?

Compassion is as compassion does. If this is a demonstration of your
'compassion' then I'm lucky to have none of it.

Now you want me dead because of a reference to forest gump? Don't you
think that's a *slight* over reaction? How many other people do you
want dead?

Ah, so you have discovered the problem with killfiles. I do have
knowledge and experience that I share with people here on a regular
basis. I also make the occasional joke (for which you've now cursed me
with a fatwa).

Killfiling people is like seeing the world through rose-tinted glasses
or crawling into a box trying to pretend that some things don't exist.
It's not real. Doing this will damage you more than you can believe.

For someone who claims to 'hate flaming' you seem to be doing a lot of
it - and laying it on thick. I can take it, but I can't speak for
others you might choose to wrestle with in future.

Yes, you were the target of my jokes. And yes, you don't find it
funny. But for someone of your 'nature', this can't be the first time
in your life it's happened. This is your role on our planet, the path
your God chose for you. How you respond marks you as a better or worse
man. So far, I believe you are failing.

No matter how hard you try, your character is not defined by how you
describe yourself to be. You won't like my method - it's painful, but
I have uncovered you for what you really are:

You are a person who has never met me but wants me dead. You are a
person who claims the holy bible says I'm stupid. You are a person who
calls my mother a bitch. You are a person who labels me an asshole.
You are a person who defines me as a guy who would kill his own wife
and children (in the Webgallery thread). You are a person *nothing
like* what *you* describe. This is a mirror, look at the truth. Look
not at what I've written but look at what *you* have written.

Do you still think you are my victim, or is it the other way round?

If *I* am your idea of evil, then I truly feel sorry for you.

 

.... It'd be really sad to see the trolls win.

....


July 12, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,

Yes, exactly.

I'd like to emphasize the concept of
refraining from copying and repeating the
remarks of trolls. It just causes troll
material to reach people who have filtered
them. We need a term to describe it --
'troll-repeating' seems a bit clunky.

Troll behaviour always strikes me as
immature, childish, words like that. Trolls
look like schoolyard bullies.

In fact, Garry Freemyer's description is
extremely on target:


"... a bad choice of a person to associate
with ..."


and


"...stab me with your verbal
swords and than stand back laughing and
saying hey, I was only playing!!"

This last one is particularly good as a
description of the bully. A bully will always
have an excuse, and 'I was only playing' is
certainly among the top ten. Number one of
course would be, 'It's your fault, I didn't
do anything.' I get a good laugh out of it
when it's delivered this way: 'I din't do
nuffin'.

regards,
--le

 

July 12, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,

Not true! No one 'has it coming.' Flaming is
inappropriate behaviour, period. Even if you
think you had it coming, there are many
others reading this forum who do not need the
rubbish on their screens. And no, it is not
your fault they do. If anyone feels you have
something coming, they can deliver it
civilly. And this applies even if you have
failed to be civil.


I have difficulty

....


Maybe so, but as long as you're not calling
people names, being rude, threatening, etc
etc etc ... who cares? We're only conversing,
people ramble all the time. Viciousness in
response to rambling is inappropriate.

And by the way, who has never skipped a track
mid-thought? Plenty of times I've done it on
purpose!

regards,
--le
________________________________
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voice: 416-686-0326
email:
net: www.heylloyd.com
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--

 

This "Troll" does not appreciate you repeating his mistakes of mentioning
off topic baggage because you wish to defame me by rubbing my error in my
face AND misrepresenting what I said, out of context and engaging in lying.

Trolls do not kill box jerks like you because they want to continute
trolling. I do not want to continue trolling or posting off topic stuff
therefore welcome to the killfile. Plonk!