Good bye everyone. Not a rant, well, not a big rant.

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Garry Freemyer, Jul 11, 2005.

  1. There is just too much flaming here. It upsets me to see others get flame, I
    am ashamed of myself finding myself flaming others in response and with
    folks like Owamanga who say extremely cruel things and then turn around and
    say they were only playing, I am reminded of a bull in the china closet of
    people's minds knocking and smashing things and having no idea why their
    "Playing" is undesireable and demoralizing, I am forced to conclude that I
    am unwise to remain here.

    Farewell to everyone here, take care, enjoy your hobby and the best of luck
    to you.

    I might be a lurker, but that depends on what I read. I don't have a lot to
    contribute because I am just a new one, so I guess there isn't much loss if
    any on your parts.

    I am not leaving because I'm a quitter, or because I am an emotional wimp, I
    am leaving because I have enough problems in my life and I don't need to add
    to them and I don't need to relate them any more nor will it be of any good
    to you folks to read them, I am leaving because it is the wise choice and
    the best choice for me, to protect myself. Demorlization, the weakening of
    integrity and good qualities in a person by personal attacks designed to
    make them feel rotton, worthless and no good is the the delight of evil
    beings, but the bane of those struggling to be a better kinder person, and
    is nothing more than slow murder by degrees. I refuse to attend a forum
    where a few spoil it for everyone else by particpating in demoralizing
    personal attacks on people they know nothing about.

    Garry Freemyer, Jul 11, 2005
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    UC Guest

    Get some skin thickener. You'll need it in the REAL world.
    UC, Jul 11, 2005
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  3. Garry Freemyer

    Owamanga Guest

    Anyone got have a map?

    .....I'll show you where the people who *care* live.
    For God's sake dude, lighten up. 99.999% of the messages here don't
    mention you, pills, imaginary friends or pretending to be God.

    But, I somehow don't think I'm getting through to you. I'll adjust my
    writing style to be more like yours and maybe then you'll understand.

    <kook on>
    As your hero once said: "Life is like a box of chocolates". Flashbulb
    gerbils. I before E except after C except in the word seaside. He said
    "nooooo, don't nail a sprout to his head". Mullets, space mullets.
    Blinky bishop, that *is* a slantly house, and remember to floss every

    How many beans make five? A bean, a bean and a half, half a bean, two

    Why is a mouse when it spins? - because the higher they go the fewer.

    He commented that he had never had a disagreement with his sister,
    only to be reminded that he had tried to set her on fire when they
    were children. Agggh, we are falling out of...
    <kook off>

    Is that clear now darling?
    Owamanga, Jul 11, 2005
  4. Garry Freemyer

    grolschie Guest

    Hey Garry,

    Why not just stick UC, Owamanga et al into a killfile and be done with it?
    Generally speaking and not refering to individuals, we need more signal and
    less noise in this group... or any group in fact. I see this kind of thing
    happening in many newsgroups. Plenty of people announce their leaving
    because of signal-to-noise ratio and continuous trolling/flaming. It's
    probably never going to go away. Fortunately, most trolls do not
    continuously change their handle to avoid kill files, so in 95% of cases you
    can simply killfile people. It makes for better reading.

    grolschie, Jul 11, 2005
  5. You just proved my point. Let me get right to brass tacks.

    Your constant refrerences to my taking pills, Your disrespect and
    insinuations that I suffer from some sort of psychosis and meglomania and
    your snide non-productive remarks and references to an imagined LOW IQ
    because of the references to Forrest Gump directed AT ME, mark you as an
    asshole par extreme who takes joy out of flaming people and is not
    appropriate behavior to undulge your sick sadistic urges in a public venue
    no matter what language you put it in.

    Your anti-social responses identify you as a sadistic sicko that gets his
    jollies out of trying to evoke misery and demoralization in others. The
    bible refers to such sociopaths as "Stupid" and says those having dealings
    with the stupid ones will fare badly. It also says that "Bad associations
    destroy useful habits as in this case via demoralization."

    You are both stupid and a bad choice of a person to associate with and my
    opinion will remain as long as you continue to stab me with your verbal
    swords and than stand back laughing and saying hey, I was only playing!!

    I could get a thicker skin, but that also is spoken of, and is equated with
    developing a lack of compassion and other rare qualities. I will not lighten
    up, if it comes at the expense of lack of compassion and caring about
    others, qualities that you completely lack!

    Whether you are an asshole or are just acting like one makes no difference
    whatsoever except that if its only an act, than there is hope for you else,
    there is no other conclusion to make than to decide that you are a sob that
    doesn't deserve to live and that it's time for me to find a newsreader that
    has a killfile function. I could just skip reading your messages, but I find
    my curiosity overrides my common sense for I saw one message from you to
    someone else which did contain something of value, otherwise, your messages
    are completely worthless to me!
    Garry Freemyer, Jul 11, 2005
  6. Garry Freemyer

    grolschie Guest

    I see you use OE6. Open a message from Owamanga, right-click the sender's
    name and select "block sender". No more references to pills or psychosis
    from him will ever be read in that newsreader, unless you read it quoted in
    someone's reply. Block UC also. Then sit back and enjoy :)

    grolschie, Jul 11, 2005
  7. Wow. Thank you so much. I was just looking up how to "Plonk" and your timely
    response is most appreciated. Now I can also stop adding to the noise ratio
    as well.

    Thanks kindly! :)
    Garry Freemyer, Jul 12, 2005
  8. Garry Freemyer

    grolschie Guest

    No problem. It'd be really sad to see the trolls win. :)
    grolschie, Jul 12, 2005
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    Michael Guest

    I recognize this immediately;
    Shakespeare - Macbeth, Act 4, Scene 2.
    Michael, Jul 12, 2005
  10. Garry Freemyer

    Trey Guest

    This is what I call fatigue. You lose interest in the NG, or tire of dealing
    with the crap that people post. Some people really do post dumb questions
    some times. A perfect example just took place on the motorcycle group I
    follow. This kid posts that he is getting a one day motorcycle racing school
    for a graduation present, and was asking if anyone had heard of the school
    he was going to.. Not even a week later, the SAME kid posts and asked if
    anyone had experience with putting Nitrous on their bikes, because he wants
    to put Nitrous on his bike. Not too bright.
    As for the flaming, you may notice there are a few 'regulars' in different
    groups. Almost like a group of old buddies that hang out at the pub. They
    tend to poke fun at eachother, it may not always sound all that nice, but
    they are just teasing eachother.
    Most the time, when someone posts a legitimate question, with a good
    explanation of what they are trying to do, then they will often get a good
    answer. If someone posts "my camera wont focus, what's wrong?" then they
    need to be bitch-slapped.
    Trey, Jul 12, 2005
  11. Garry Freemyer

    Trey Guest

    Some times, your ISP kills them for you! However, its also entertaining at
    times when you KNOW they are a total idiot.
    Some people get a power trip out of it... hiding behind their screen name,
    its like a hockey mask. It just takes a little time to figure out who
    everyone is, and what to look for in the posts to get the 'tone' of the
    Trey, Jul 12, 2005
  12. Garry Freemyer

    grolschie Guest

    Yeah dude, you've got the same problem? I can't get mine to focus either,
    what's wrong? ;-)
    grolschie, Jul 12, 2005
  13. I noticed that my af on my Nikon d70 seems to go out of focus without me or
    the subject moving. I still can work around it. The other time, it was
    because I did not put the viewfinder right up to my face, because I can't
    see any better than a cheeseball without my glasses on.

    I had to just learn to work with it. At least it's better than it was
    without he operation. Before, I couldn't see two inches.

    As for the flaming, I think I had a lot of it coming. I have difficulty
    concentrating so I sometimes end up posting stuff that has nothing to do
    with the topic, or what I'm trying to say and then twenty minutes later, I
    go back and re-read my post and I shake my head in dismay at myself and
    total befuddlement about what large portions of what I posted had to do with
    anything and then go fix it because usually I post where I can fix such
    ramblings, but that isn't the case here. It's as if I just skip a track
    mid-thought. It isn't serious, I know what is wrong, but that don't help
    others understand nor does it excuse me. I have had to learn to be careful
    never to post when I'm not fully awake or when I'm tired or I'll post all
    sorts of inane drivel.
    Garry Freemyer, Jul 12, 2005
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    Owamanga Guest

    Then they aren't really trolls.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
    Owamanga, Jul 12, 2005
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    McLeod Guest

    The op has so far in this group talked about killing himself, having
    his heart broken, his health, his mental history, and all of his
    personal problems. Who's the troll?
    McLeod, Jul 12, 2005
  16. Garry Freemyer

    Owamanga Guest

    You are obviously immune to my sense of humor. I'd rank that last post
    as a top ten for the year.
    What others? I see no others.
    So, now you are flaming me and using the Bible for ammunition? Do you
    still maintain that you don't like playing God?
    More flame. Have I ever said such things to you, called you any names?
    Compassion is as compassion does. If this is a demonstration of your
    'compassion' then I'm lucky to have none of it.
    Now you want me dead because of a reference to forest gump? Don't you
    think that's a *slight* over reaction? How many other people do you
    want dead?
    Ah, so you have discovered the problem with killfiles. I do have
    knowledge and experience that I share with people here on a regular
    basis. I also make the occasional joke (for which you've now cursed me
    with a fatwa).

    Killfiling people is like seeing the world through rose-tinted glasses
    or crawling into a box trying to pretend that some things don't exist.
    It's not real. Doing this will damage you more than you can believe.

    For someone who claims to 'hate flaming' you seem to be doing a lot of
    it - and laying it on thick. I can take it, but I can't speak for
    others you might choose to wrestle with in future.

    Yes, you were the target of my jokes. And yes, you don't find it
    funny. But for someone of your 'nature', this can't be the first time
    in your life it's happened. This is your role on our planet, the path
    your God chose for you. How you respond marks you as a better or worse
    man. So far, I believe you are failing.

    No matter how hard you try, your character is not defined by how you
    describe yourself to be. You won't like my method - it's painful, but
    I have uncovered you for what you really are:

    You are a person who has never met me but wants me dead. You are a
    person who claims the holy bible says I'm stupid. You are a person who
    calls my mother a bitch. You are a person who labels me an asshole.
    You are a person who defines me as a guy who would kill his own wife
    and children (in the Webgallery thread). You are a person *nothing
    like* what *you* describe. This is a mirror, look at the truth. Look
    not at what I've written but look at what *you* have written.

    Do you still think you are my victim, or is it the other way round?

    If *I* am your idea of evil, then I truly feel sorry for you.
    Owamanga, Jul 12, 2005
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    Lloyd Erlick Guest

    .... It'd be really sad to see the trolls win.

    July 12, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,

    Yes, exactly.

    I'd like to emphasize the concept of
    refraining from copying and repeating the
    remarks of trolls. It just causes troll
    material to reach people who have filtered
    them. We need a term to describe it --
    'troll-repeating' seems a bit clunky.

    Troll behaviour always strikes me as
    immature, childish, words like that. Trolls
    look like schoolyard bullies.

    In fact, Garry Freemyer's description is
    extremely on target:

    "... a bad choice of a person to associate
    with ..."


    "...stab me with your verbal
    swords and than stand back laughing and
    saying hey, I was only playing!!"

    This last one is particularly good as a
    description of the bully. A bully will always
    have an excuse, and 'I was only playing' is
    certainly among the top ten. Number one of
    course would be, 'It's your fault, I didn't
    do anything.' I get a good laugh out of it
    when it's delivered this way: 'I din't do

    Lloyd Erlick, Jul 12, 2005
  18. Garry Freemyer

    Lloyd Erlick Guest

    July 12, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,

    Not true! No one 'has it coming.' Flaming is
    inappropriate behaviour, period. Even if you
    think you had it coming, there are many
    others reading this forum who do not need the
    rubbish on their screens. And no, it is not
    your fault they do. If anyone feels you have
    something coming, they can deliver it
    civilly. And this applies even if you have
    failed to be civil.

    I have difficulty

    Maybe so, but as long as you're not calling
    people names, being rude, threatening, etc
    etc etc ... who cares? We're only conversing,
    people ramble all the time. Viciousness in
    response to rambling is inappropriate.

    And by the way, who has never skipped a track
    mid-thought? Plenty of times I've done it on

    Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
    voice: 416-686-0326
    Lloyd Erlick, Jul 12, 2005
  19. This "Troll" does not appreciate you repeating his mistakes of mentioning
    off topic baggage because you wish to defame me by rubbing my error in my
    face AND misrepresenting what I said, out of context and engaging in lying.

    Trolls do not kill box jerks like you because they want to continute
    trolling. I do not want to continue trolling or posting off topic stuff
    therefore welcome to the killfile. Plonk!
    Garry Freemyer, Jul 12, 2005
  20. :)
    Garry Freemyer, Jul 12, 2005
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