Good Idea/Bad Idea- Images for critique

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Martin Francis, Jul 28, 2003.

  1. Martin Francis, Jul 28, 2003
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  2. "Martin Francis" <> wrote in message news:<bg43oc$5nh$>...
    > Well, I may not send the images to Tank (yet), but these were some i'd
    > planned to send:
    >
    > (link is to directory index)
    >
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~mcsalty/martin/


    How to say this politely.....

    Have you considered piano lessons? Maybe your talent lies there..
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 29, 2003
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  3. Martin Francis

    T P Guest

    (Michael Scarpitti) wrote:
    >
    >How to say this politely.....
    >
    >Have you considered piano lessons? Maybe your talent lies there..



    And where, exactly, does your talent lie?

    ;-)
     
    T P, Jul 29, 2003
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  4. Rusty Shakleford, Jul 29, 2003
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  5. Martin Francis, Jul 29, 2003
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  6. Martin Francis

    Matt Clara Guest

    Matt Clara, Jul 29, 2003
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  7. T P <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > (Michael Scarpitti) wrote:
    > >
    > >How to say this politely.....
    > >
    > >Have you considered piano lessons? Maybe your talent lies there..

    >
    >
    > And where, exactly, does your talent lie?
    >
    > ;-)


    Photography and writing, to name two.

    I did not say the work was bad, did I? To do really good photography,
    one must actively go after images. There's too much passivity here. No
    long shadows. No dizzying angles. No active participation in the act
    of making a photograph.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 29, 2003
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  8. Martin Francis

    Matt Clara Guest

    "Michael Scarpitti" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > T P <> wrote in message

    news:<>...
    > > (Michael Scarpitti) wrote:
    > > >
    > > >How to say this politely.....
    > > >
    > > >Have you considered piano lessons? Maybe your talent lies there..

    > >
    > >
    > > And where, exactly, does your talent lie?
    > >
    > > ;-)

    >
    > Photography and writing, to name two.


    Let's see some then.

    > I did not say the work was bad, did I?


    Worse, you suggested he find another creative field to pursue. Way to
    encourage a student!!! You obviously don't know the meaning of constructive
    criticism, do you.

    >To do really good photography, [in my opinion]
    > one must actively go after images. There's too much passivity here [in my

    opinion]. No
    > long shadows, [because those are cool, in my opinion]. No dizzying angles,

    [because
    >those make my belly tingle most pleasantly]. No active participation in

    the act
    >of making a photograph, [because it's not enough to go out and take

    photographs, even
    >if you have a plan and purpose--you need long shadows and dizzying angles,

    too].

    Fear not Martin, you're in good company. He thinks Ansel Adams is _WAY_
    overrated, too. Just throw some long shadows in there and some dizzying
    angles and you'll have pleased Mr. Scarpitti.
     
    Matt Clara, Jul 29, 2003
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  9. Martin Francis, Jul 29, 2003
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  10. "Rusty Shakleford" <> wrote in message
    news:bg5sap$srq$...
    > K the desert ones I get,
    > the freezer is cool yer heels?
    > and aren't those Bruno Magdli(spelling sucks) shoes in the knife pic? :)
    >
    > I got a kick out of them. (KICKS)


    Erm, thanks (?)
    > -Keith
    >
    > Registered Linux user #273320


    Suddenly everything is clear...

    --
    Martin
    http://www.btinternet.com/~mcsalty
     
    Martin Francis, Jul 29, 2003
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  11. "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message news:<9XzVa.783079$>...
    > "Michael Scarpitti" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > T P <> wrote in message

    > news:<>...
    > > > (Michael Scarpitti) wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > >How to say this politely.....
    > > > >
    > > > >Have you considered piano lessons? Maybe your talent lies there..
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > And where, exactly, does your talent lie?
    > > >
    > > > ;-)

    > >
    > > Photography and writing, to name two.

    >
    > Let's see some then.
    >
    > > I did not say the work was bad, did I?

    >
    > Worse, you suggested he find another creative field to pursue. Way to


    > encourage a student!!! You obviously don't know the meaning of constructive
    > criticism, do you.


    This student should be encouraged to pursue something else. Not even a
    whiff of specialness about the images.


    >
    > >To do really good photography, [in my opinion]
    > > one must actively go after images. There's too much passivity here [in my

    > opinion]. No
    > > long shadows, [because those are cool, in my opinion]. No dizzying angles,

    > [because
    > >those make my belly tingle most pleasantly]. No active participation in

    > the act
    > >of making a photograph, [because it's not enough to go out and take

    > photographs, even
    > >if you have a plan and purpose--you need long shadows and dizzying angles,

    > too].
    >
    > Fear not Martin, you're in good company. He thinks Ansel Adams is _WAY_
    > overrated, too. Just throw some long shadows in there and some dizzying
    > angles and you'll have pleased Mr. Scarpitti.


    For the subject matter he chose, the very flat light, poor choice of
    vantage point, lack of texture, etc, are telling. Want to see MY
    slides of Italy?
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 30, 2003
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  12. Martin Francis

    Matt Clara Guest

    Matt Clara, Jul 30, 2003
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  13. "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message news:<FnKVa.1246918$>...
    > > > > Photography and writing, to name two.
    > > >
    > > > Let's see some then.

    > > http://www.hkbu.edu.hk/~ppp/texts/VERSCH.html
    > > http://www.hkbu.edu.hk/~ppp/texts/adv.html
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......... Don't leave academia, ok? You fit right
    > in.



    Actually, I'm not an academic, and these papers are critical of the
    typical academic slovenliness.

    >
    > > and type design:
    > > http://www.fontcraft.com/scriptorium/roman/

    >
    > Those are cool.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 30, 2003
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  14. Michael Scarpitti, Jul 30, 2003
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  15. Martin Francis

    Gordon Moat Guest

    Guten Morgen Martin,

    Martin Francis wrote:

    > Well, I may not send the images to Tank (yet), but these were some i'd
    > planned to send:
    >
    > (link is to directory index)
    >
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~mcsalty/martin/


    Link sometimes not available, but I got a brief look. I do think this is
    a nice start on a concept. Perhaps some more exploring might get some
    results to hone your vision.

    Anyway, when I was in college, inspiration, and direction, could
    sometimes be found in the work of others. I still find inspiration in the
    work of others, though much of the direction of my work is now client
    generated, or self generated.

    With inspiration in mind, I thought you might find something in the works
    of Jeff Mermelstein. He is part of that genre of "Street Photography",
    yet I think that is too narrow a description. His work has been profiled
    in several publications, and he has a couple books out. Take a look:

    <http://www.billcharles.com/merm/jeffmermelstein_1.htm>

    I hope some ideas generate from that, or some other source. It is tough
    to stay fresh on ideas, but a big part of developing a style. Since I
    have been stuck at home sick, I finally got going on my portfolio update.
    I have about fifty images I need to cut down to about 20 for final
    display. My web site is a mess in need of updates, but that is another
    story . . . no rest for the wicked ;-)

    Anyway, keep at it, build on some concepts. If you need to, shoot more
    film.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    Alliance Graphique Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com>
     
    Gordon Moat, Jul 30, 2003
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  16. "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message news:<KiKVa.1248062$>...
    > You're entirely too full of youself, to the point that you want to put
    > everyone down, from Martin Francis to Ansel Adams.


    That would be presumptuous on your part to say about me. I have worked
    at the professional level, and in matters of darkroom
    technique/knowledge I would say I'm far beyond most pros. I happen to
    know a lot of pros and have seen their darkroom work, so I can make
    that judgement. As far as 'putting down' anyone, I have no need for
    that. I simply suggest that Martin's talents lie elsewhere, not that
    he is a bad person or has no talent. Photograpgic talents generally
    manifest themselves right away or never. Perhpas Martin is destined to
    be great violinist or pianist.

    A glance at some of the work in these pages will be illuminating:

    http://www.leica-camera.com/kultur/links/fotografen/index_e.html
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jul 30, 2003
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  17. Annika1980 wrote:


    >
    > Perhaps you should find a magazine called "My Photos Suck" to send them
    > to?


    And if you used a rifle rather than a camera, you might feed your family.


    --
    -Keith

    Registered Linux user #273320

    http://counter.li.org
     
    Rusty Shakleford, Jul 31, 2003
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  18. "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message
    news:KiKVa.1248062$...
    > You're entirely too full of youself, to the point that you want to put
    > everyone down, from Martin Francis to Ansel Adams.
    >

    Scarpitti is full of something, that's for sure
     
    Tony Parkinson, Aug 5, 2003
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  19. "Tony Parkinson" <> wrote in message news:<bgo8ti$qh1$>...
    > "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message
    > news:KiKVa.1248062$...
    > > You're entirely too full of youself, to the point that you want to put
    > > everyone down, from Martin Francis to Ansel Adams.
    > >

    > Scarpitti is full of something, that's for sure


    You have no idea what you're talking about. I went to Italy a few
    years ago, and my pictures from that trip are of professional calibre.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Aug 5, 2003
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