Grainy 120-format B/W rollfilms

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by shoppa, Jul 6, 2005.

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    shoppa Guest

    I'm looking for high-grain 120-format rollfilms. Indoor flash
    candid/snapshot style photography with some outside stuff, sometimes

    I'm stuck-in-the-mud with respect to my TLR
    camera/waist-level-viewfinder and will not switch to 35mm.

    I like TMY and HP5. Usually develop in XTOL or Acufine. When enlarged
    to 11x14 or bigger the grain is nice and visible and acutance is
    excellent, but I want something even grainier. Any darkroom "recipies"
    for more grain without blowing contrast out of the water?

    Ilford Delta 3200? The local places don't stock it, but I'll try
    mail-ordering it. I tried Delta 400 many years ago and was not
    impressed at the time... But I didn't try very hard. It seemed not
    too much different than Tri-X.

    If anyone wants to push Tri-X on me, I'll give it a second chance too.
    I was not impressed with acutance last time I tried. And I had to rate
    the film at like 160 to get any shadow detail at all.

    If there are any C41-developer B/W films that have nice sharp grain I
    might give them a try too. But the ones I tried were really splotchy
    with no sharp grain (this was 10-15 years ago).

    I'm also willing to try high-speed high-grain 120 color slide films but
    I don't think they've made this for years (Agfa had some 1000 speed
    stuff that was great, with pushing it was brilliantly sparkly grainy,
    but I haven't seen it since the early 90's.)

    shoppa, Jul 6, 2005
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    Rod Smith Guest

    You could try an even faster film, like Fuji's Neopan 1600. I've not tried
    it, though, so I can't promise it'll give you what you want. FWIW, Efke
    KB100 seems awfully grainy for its speed, at least in 35mm -- grainier
    than most ISO 400 films. It might be worth a test roll or two. If you're
    in the US, check to locate some. They've
    also got some oddball films in ISO 400 that might be worth trying. The
    only one I've tried, Fomapan 400, doesn't strike me as particularly grainy
    for its speed, but you might think differently, particularly as you're
    using 120 and might use different developers than I've used.

    You could also try developing in Rodinal (or an equivalent, like Calbe
    R09); that has a reputation for producing more grain than XTOL. (I'm not
    sure about Acufine's characteristics offhand, though.)

    Another possibility is to expose at a higher ISO rating and push process.
    That'll have other undesirable effects, though.
    Ilford's Delta films, like Kodak's T-grain films, are less grainy than
    traditional emulsions. That said, the higher speed might produce greater
    grain. (I *THINK* that Fuji's Neopan 1600 is a traditional-grain film, but
    I'm not positive of that.)
    Rod Smith, Jul 6, 2005
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    Peter Guest

    Fortepan 400 is the grainiest film I know. It produces quite
    sharp grain in d-76, I haven't tried it with anything else.
    A 8x10 print from a 6x6 negative will show the grain quite nicely.

    I find Tri-x a very nice film when developed in D-76 or Xtol.
    But the current tri-x has pretty fine grain for a 400 speed film
    and is not what you are looking for.

    Forte 400 should fit the bill quite nicely if you really want
    grain. The base is somewhat curlier than most major-company films.

    Peter, Jul 6, 2005
  4. Use in Rodinal 1+7 0r 1+3, golf ball size grain.
    Contrast galore.
    Gregory Blank, Jul 6, 2005
  5. Ilford Delta-3200 is it, TTBOMK; assuming you mean
    high grain/high speed.

    Don't forget to use a coarse grain developer like Dektol.
    High contrast paper helps.

    One used to be able to buy a 'grain screen' to add
    _lots_ of grain to a picture. The screen was a negative with
    a grain pattern and you would lay it on the paper when making
    an enlargement.
    Try available light, it can really look nice in 120. I used
    to use Royal-X pan in a Zeiss Nettar - f6.8 lens so the subject
    had to be near a window, but that just made it better. The
    usual advice, expose for shadows and develop for highlights,
    or the stuff can get away from you.

    Hmpf, think I will put D-3200 on the shopping list.
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Jul 6, 2005
  6. i'd recommend "older" ilford films --such as hp5+-- or a high
    sensitivity modern film, like ilford delta3200.
    developing them with rodinal gives you plenty of thick grains on your

    Gianni Rondinini, Jul 8, 2005
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    Lloyd Erlick Guest

    On 6 Jul 2005 11:09:07 -0700,


    jul905 from Lloyd Erlick,

    I like the grain pattern I saw in D3200. I
    liked this film rated at EI 800. For grain
    and interesting tonality, I'd try developing
    it in Rodinal. Maybe diluted 1+50, testing
    would be in order. I'd guess development time
    of 12-15 minutes.

    I too thought the grain pattern of D3200 was
    reminiscent of Tri-X. A 120 neg will need a
    fair bit of enlargement to reveal the grain

    Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
    voice: 416-686-0326
    Lloyd Erlick, Jul 9, 2005
  8. Tri-X developed in Rodinol produces enhanced grain. One can also get
    grain to the max by contact printing the above negative to Kodalith or
    similar lith film then contacting that positive to lith film for a high
    contrast negative that will print grain the size of bowling balls. Or
    you can play with the process to get something in between.

    Frank Rome, NY
    Frank Calidonna, Jul 10, 2005
  9. just one more thing: i just developed and printed 8x10" a couple of
    135/36 tmz and i was *really* disappointed by it, compared to the
    delta3200s i've been using for months.

    i usually shoot delta3200 and then develop it in rodinal 1+[a lot];
    the tmz was developed using kodak tmax.
    for all of them i always use the dev times taken on

    the grain size of tmz is comparable to the one of delta3200, but the
    shape and kind of grain really disappointed me. if needed, i can scan
    a couple of details of prints made with these films.

    Gianni Rondinini, Jul 12, 2005
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