Hacking the Rebel 300 firmware

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by aaJoe, May 7, 2006.

  1. aaJoe

    aaJoe Guest

    Is this possible? Is it dangerous? Can you damage the camera? I've
    heard that the Rebel was somewhat sabotaged so it wouldn't make their
    other cameras look bad.

    Where to go for this hack? Do you need anything hardware specific to do
    it?
     
    aaJoe, May 7, 2006
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    Rudy Benner Guest

    Google "canon rebel hack"
     
    Rudy Benner, May 7, 2006
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  3. aaJoe

    LabRat Guest

    Just Google "Wasia hack". I used it with no problems on my 300D. 3200 ISO,
    mirror lock-up, flash exposure compensation and several other features are
    unlocked by the hack.

    LabRat
     
    LabRat, May 7, 2006
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  4. It wasn't "sabotaged" Canon simply took the 10D sensor and circuit and put
    it in a plastic body. Features of the 10D were turned off as it simplified
    the operation of the 300D. This due to economy of scale of using a proven
    circuit allowed Canon to break the USD $1,000 price point. To use the term
    "sabotage" you imply evil motives, I just see it as marketting. The 10D is
    still a better camera overall, but it can't use EF-S lenses like the 17~85
    IS, the 10~22 or 60mm Macro . . . so 300D owners win in that aspect.
     
    Darrell Larose, May 7, 2006
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  5. aaJoe

    Al Dykes Guest


    Same here.

    Read the README before you do it but the procedure is roughly this;

    Format a CF card in the camera. Turn the camera off. Move the card to
    your computer and copy the file you downloaded from 'net to the card.
    Put the card in the camera and power it up.

    Be patient if it doesn't appear to do anything. Make sure you have a
    batter with a good charge.


    Hi ~ratty, you can run but you can't hide :)
     
    Al Dykes, May 8, 2006
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    george Guest

    Why can't the 10D use the EF-S lenses you list? They are for that size
    sensor (if I understand the Canon line correctly).
     
    george, May 8, 2006
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  7. The D30, D60 and 10D don't have an EF-S lensmount. The EF-S bodies have a
    shorter mount to mirror distance. So if you managed to mount them the mirror
    will hang up on the rear of the lens.
     
    Darrell Larose, May 8, 2006
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  8. aaJoe

    aaJoe Guest

    Is this possible? Is it dangerous? Can you damage the camera? I've
    Don't you just love logic? :) And thanks for the tips, people. Well
    done.
     
    aaJoe, May 8, 2006
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  9. aaJoe

    ColinD Guest

    Er, no, the lens mount to sensor distance is the same as any other EOS
    camera. It has to be, otherwise EF lenses would not focus on EF-S
    capable cameras. The rear element of EF-S lenses extends into the
    camera further than EF lenses, and the 300/350D, 20D, and 30D have
    smaller mirrors which will clear the lens rear element, but other EOS
    cameras would foul the mirror if an EF-S lens could be fitted.

    Although the 10D, D30, and D60 have 1.6 crop sensors, they were designed
    before the advent of the EF-S mount, so they are not EF-S capable.

    Colin D.

    *** ***
     
    ColinD, May 8, 2006
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  10. And I see most marketing motives as evil. "Sabotage" exactly fits
    deliberately crippling a piece of hardware. I feel the same way about
    computers (long ago) that could be made twice as fast by cutting one
    wire.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, May 8, 2006
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  11. This can't be right; if it were, then some EF lenses could not be mounted
    on EF-S bodies; *only* EF-S lenses could safely be mounted. Which is
    clearly not the case.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, May 8, 2006
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  12. aaJoe

    george Guest

    Wow, and people have problems understanding what lens works in what modes on
    a Nikon! Almost makes K, C, IC, AI, AI'd, AIS, AF, AF-I, AF-S, AF-D, IX,
    DX, and G seem simple. If I read you right, being EF-S capable is primarily
    due to mirror size...so the first 1.6 sensor bodies used FF mirrors??? Are
    EF-S lenses made such that they cannot be mounted on a non-EF-S compatible
    body (as a precaution)?
     
    george, May 8, 2006
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  13. Yes, I think it was reversed above. EF-S bodies take all the EF-S
    lenses, and all EF lenses. EF bodies take only EF lenses, of which there
    are many, excellent to wholly indifferent.
     
    John McWilliams, May 8, 2006
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  14. In either event, it doesn't fit the original meaning of the term,
    messing up your employer by throwing your shoes into the machinery.
    Unless there's an evil gnome in Canon, deliberately disabling marketable
    goodies to the chagrin of management.
     
    John McWilliams, May 8, 2006
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    Randy Howard Guest

    Darrell Larose wrote
    Right, marketing pukes refer to it as "defeaturing". They also
    use words like "positioning" and "differentiation".

    End result: identical

    You get a product that is technically capable of doing much
    more, but has been artificially hampered. Sabotage is a fairly
    close word for such an event.
     
    Randy Howard, May 8, 2006
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    LabRat Guest

    The EF-S lenses won't mount on a non-EF-S body. An EF-S lens' rear element
    extends further back in to the camera body and can block the mirror when it
    flips up causing damage to the lens, or worse, the mirror. The advantage to
    an EF-S is that since the lens is designed to produce a smaller image circle
    (for the APS size sensor), less glass can be used to lower costs. The
    disadvantage is that the smaller image projected makes the lens useless on
    35mm film or full frame digital cameras, unless you like vignetting.
    Personally, I steer clear of EF-S lenses since I occasionally still shoot a
    roll with my film camera to remember why I switched to digital.

    LabRat
     
    LabRat, May 8, 2006
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  17. It's certainly possible, and as far as I know, no more dangerous than
    applying new firmware from Canon.

    You can get the hacked firmware here:
    http://satinfo.narod.ru/en/download.html

    Instructions for flashing new firmware onto the DRebel are here:
    http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eosdigital/E3kr_firmware-e.html

    I finally got around to doing this about a month ago, because I wanted
    mirror lock-up. The only feature I've actually used is the "high
    sensitivity" ISO 3200 mode (which I didn't think I'd ever use at all),
    though I did test mirror lock-up to verify it works. The good news is
    that I've used the camera heavily since installing the firmware, and
    haven't noticed the change at all; when not using the new features, the
    camera works exactly as it used to. Actually, that's not quite true;
    when a picture appears in the LCD preview immediately after shooting,
    and you hit the delete button, the UI defaults to "Delete" instead of
    "Cancel". Other than that, it's all the same.

    I've heard that this will technically void your warranty (if you still
    have one); I've also heard that Canon will provide warranty service
    anyway. As far as I know, the only risk is that if your CF card fails,
    or your battery dies, or you open the CF door halfway through the
    flash, or whatever, then your camera is hosed. Just like flashing with
    Canon's firmware.

    - Darryl
     
    madhobbit.geo, May 8, 2006
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  18. I meant to say EF-S have a shorter rear element to mirror distance, which
    will cause the mirror to hang. I over simplified my answer.
     
    Darrell Larose, May 9, 2006
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  19. That's certainly true. But words evolve, and often mean different
    things than their early history would suggest.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, May 9, 2006
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  20. aaJoe

    RichA Guest

    Goes all the way back to the Intel SX chip that was a DX with it's
    co-processor disengaged.
    Slimy marketing is slimy marketing.
     
    RichA, May 9, 2006
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