Hardware and software for kids

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Jennifer Murphy, Aug 17, 2013.

  1. I would appreciate recommendations for hardware (cameras) and software
    (editing) for kids (age 8). A friend's daughter in getting interested in
    photography. She would like to get her something for her birthday, but
    knows nothing at all about photography.

    Knowing this little girl, I think she would love software that would
    allow her to add special effects to photos.
     
    Jennifer Murphy, Aug 17, 2013
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  2. Jennifer Murphy

    PeterN Guest

    Budget?

    As for editing software for a rank beginner.
    Consider Core; PhotoPaint: It hsz a low learning curve, and the
    interface is intuitive. Before yo buy any program, try it first.
    You are certain to get different opinions here.
    But, I would take her to a store, and let her make the selection. That
    way she will have some investment in the camera.
     
    PeterN, Aug 17, 2013
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  3. Not too important. This is for an 8 year old.

    For the camera, it would depend on the quality, but probably up to $100
    for a "kid" camera. For the software, again it depends on the quality. I
    doubt she could use Photoshop. Probably something in the lower end of
    the price range until we know she'll actually use it.

    I did find this website that does it all online:

    http://www.pbs.org/parents/photo/
    OK, thanks
     
    Jennifer Murphy, Aug 17, 2013
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  4. Jennifer Murphy

    Savageduck Guest

    What computer is the 8 year old using?

    For a Mac I suggest looking at "Pixelmator"
    < http://www.pixelmator.com/ >

    As far as cameras go, in the $100-$200 range there is a wide range of
    suitable compact cameras. I would avoid those which are blatantly
    "cute". Take a look at those in that price range from reputable
    manufacturers such as Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, etc.
     
    Savageduck, Aug 17, 2013
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  5. Jennifer Murphy

    MC Guest

    Why not? These days kids are more literate in complex software than a
    lot of adults. Kids tend to lean quicker too.

    MC
     
    MC, Aug 17, 2013
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  6. Jennifer Murphy

    Guest Guest

    one possibility is an ipod touch, which has a fairly good camera and
    plenty of software available to adjust the image, most of which is free
    or a few bucks. there's no phone in it so no ongoing charges. it also
    has parental restrictions so she won't have unrestricted access to
    things she shouldn't.

    the photos can always be exported to a computer for work there too.

    otherwise, there are plenty of decent cameras for $100-200. don't go
    much cheaper unless it's used or clearance sale. what you don't want is
    to get her a piece of shit, nor do you want to get something fancy
    because kids will probably break it, lose it, etc.

    for software on a computer, photoshop elements. it's cheap and it's
    powerful and kids can usually pick it up quickly.
     
    Guest, Aug 17, 2013
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  7. Well, let me say it this way. I doubt her parents are going to spend
    $800 (or whatever Photoshop costs these days) unless they are pretty
    sure she is going to use it. But then I think you knew that.
     
    Jennifer Murphy, Aug 17, 2013
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  8. I was thinking more along the lines of something "cute" just to get her
    interested. She might like a "Dora" camera. But you raise an interesting
    point. If they get her a real camera, she will have a real camera and
    they can tell her that it's just like mommy's. Thanks.
     
    Jennifer Murphy, Aug 17, 2013
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  9. Jennifer Murphy

    Guest Guest

    she doesn't need the full photoshop. she is not a professional graphic
    artist. at least not yet.

    photoshop elements is normally $50-60 and would work quite well. it's
    also not that complex and mom&dad could use it too.
     
    Guest, Aug 17, 2013
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  10. That's a great suggestion. Thanks.
    Do you have actual experience with a child about 8 learning Elements? I
    have Elements. I found it a little daunting to learn and I am fairly
    computer literate. But I'm not 8 and you are right that kids these days
    pick this stuff up almost instantly.
     
    Jennifer Murphy, Aug 17, 2013
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  11. Jennifer Murphy

    Guest Guest

    not using elements, but kids figure stuff out very easily, and elements
    is not very hard to use anyway.
     
    Guest, Aug 17, 2013
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  12. Jennifer Murphy

    Tony Cooper Guest

    I have an 8 and a 9 year-old sitting in the other room. They're
    having "sleep-over" here tonight while the parent go out on the town.

    Both have played with Elements on my computer. The only thing they're
    interested in is using the filters in the filter gallery. They like
    the weird effects they can add.

    Neither has evidenced an interest in owning a compact camera, but they
    use mine frequently. They use their iPods to take both still and
    video all the time. They use their father's iPhone to take and send
    images.
     
    Tony Cooper, Aug 17, 2013
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  13. Jennifer Murphy

    J. Clarke Guest

    You haven't been following the Great Rental Debate. Adobe has changed
    their pricing from a purchase to a rental, and for a student the rental
    for the full Creative Suite Master Collection is $20/month. If she's 8
    and living in the US she should qualify for that price. While the price
    may change later it will still be heavily discounted until she graduates
    from college.

    Other options from Adobe--Elements, which is very capable subset of
    Photoshop/Premiere CS6, is $119 on the student discount. Lightroom 5,
    which isn't quite so good on the FX but as a photo editor handles about
    98 percent of my needs, is student priced at $79. Photoshop CS6 is
    available for $349, and Master Collection for $999. Those are, I
    believe, all for downloadable software--for physical copies you need to
    check Amazon or your local stores.

    Note that those prices are valid for anyone living in the US who is
    enrolled in an accredited K-12 school, a college or university that
    offers a 2 year or longer degree, or is legally registered as being
    homeschooled.
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 18, 2013
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  14. Jennifer Murphy

    Guest Guest

    huh? elements is $99 msrp and usually discounted to around half that.
    it's $69 right now at adobe.com, and that's not always the best price.

    it's also bundled for free with various hardware and might even be
    bundled with some cameras.
    lightroom is probably not the best choice for a kid learning
    photography.
     
    Guest, Aug 18, 2013
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  15. Jennifer Murphy

    PeterN Guest

    Which is why i suggested the Corel product. If she participates in the
    selection of hte camera, she will have an investment in the camera.
    (Just clue the salesperson in on your budget ahead of time.
     
    PeterN, Aug 18, 2013
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  16. Jennifer Murphy

    PeterN Guest

    PS might be very frustrating for any beginner, regardless of age.
    But whatever you get her, should be available with the educational
    discount. I assume she is in school.
     
    PeterN, Aug 18, 2013
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  17. Jennifer Murphy

    Robert Coe Guest

    : On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:43:24 -0700, Savageduck
    :
    : >On 2013-08-17 10:55:02 -0700, Jennifer Murphy <> said:
    : >
    : >> I would appreciate recommendations for hardware (cameras) and software
    : >> (editing) for kids (age 8). A friend's daughter in getting interested in
    : >> photography. She would like to get her something for her birthday, but
    : >> knows nothing at all about photography.
    : >>
    : >> Knowing this little girl, I think she would love software that would
    : >> allow her to add special effects to photos.
    : >
    : >What computer is the 8 year old using?
    : >
    : >For a Mac I suggest looking at "Pixelmator"
    : >< http://www.pixelmator.com/ >
    : >
    : >As far as cameras go, in the $100-$200 range there is a wide range of
    : >suitable compact cameras. I would avoid those which are blatantly
    : >"cute". Take a look at those in that price range from reputable
    : >manufacturers such as Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, etc.
    :
    : I was thinking more along the lines of something "cute" just to get her
    : interested. She might like a "Dora" camera. But you raise an interesting
    : point. If they get her a real camera, she will have a real camera and
    : they can tell her that it's just like mommy's. Thanks.

    Do the girl's parents have an old P&S camera that they're no longer using or
    is about to be replaced? She could use it until she either started to outgrow
    it or lost interest in photography. Any P&S can be set to behave like a simple
    kids' camera, so the "cute" camera could be regarded as a last resort if
    nothing else is available.

    A couple of my granddaughters got their first cameras too young and promptly
    lost or broke them. But I believe both were less than eight at the time. When
    the older of the two was about six, I lent her my old G-5 at a Thanksgiving
    dinner, and she spent about an hour taking pictures of relatives. She had no
    problem finding subjects; everybody was ready to give her a big smile. This
    summer, at 11, she spent a month in Portugal. I gave her the G-5 to take
    along, but she used a more recent P&S from her paternal grandmother. (Martha
    and I switched to DSLRs before we had time to accumulate any more P&Sses.) I
    haven't yet seen her pictures, but I'm told that she eschewed buildings and
    landscapes in favor of pictures of other kids she met on the trip.

    I think it's hard to go wrong, unless well meaning adults try to push the girl
    too hard or confront her with too much complexity too soon. Are there any
    kids' photography classes that she could go to, where she could learn with
    others in her situation?

    One of the Ansel Adams exhibits that came to Boston in the past few years had
    a fair number of pictures that Ansel took when he was twelve. Some of them
    were pretty awful, but you have to start somewhere.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Aug 18, 2013
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  18. Jennifer Murphy

    Robert Coe Guest

    : In article <>, Jennifer
    :
    : > I would appreciate recommendations for hardware (cameras) and software
    : > (editing) for kids (age 8). A friend's daughter in getting interested in
    : > photography. She would like to get her something for her birthday, but
    : > knows nothing at all about photography.
    : >
    : > Knowing this little girl, I think she would love software that would
    : > allow her to add special effects to photos.
    :
    : one possibility is an ipod touch, which has a fairly good camera and
    : plenty of software available to adjust the image, most of which is free
    : or a few bucks. there's no phone in it so no ongoing charges. it also
    : has parental restrictions so she won't have unrestricted access to
    : things she shouldn't.
    :
    : the photos can always be exported to a computer for work there too.
    :
    : otherwise, there are plenty of decent cameras for $100-200. don't go
    : much cheaper unless it's used or clearance sale. what you don't want is
    : to get her a piece of shit, nor do you want to get something fancy
    : because kids will probably break it, lose it, etc.
    :
    : for software on a computer, photoshop elements. it's cheap and it's
    : powerful and kids can usually pick it up quickly.

    I think nospam's hardware advice is sound. I've never used Photoshop Elements,
    so he may be right about that too. But my gut tells me it may be overkill.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Aug 18, 2013
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  19. Jennifer Murphy

    Robert Coe Guest

    : On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:40:24 -0400, nospam <>
    : wrote:
    :
    : >In article <>, Jennifer
    : >
    : >> I would appreciate recommendations for hardware (cameras) and software
    : >> (editing) for kids (age 8). A friend's daughter in getting interested in
    : >> photography. She would like to get her something for her birthday, but
    : >> knows nothing at all about photography.
    : >>
    : >> Knowing this little girl, I think she would love software that would
    : >> allow her to add special effects to photos.
    : >
    : >one possibility is an ipod touch, which has a fairly good camera and
    : >plenty of software available to adjust the image, most of which is free
    : >or a few bucks. there's no phone in it so no ongoing charges. it also
    : >has parental restrictions so she won't have unrestricted access to
    : >things she shouldn't.
    : >
    : >the photos can always be exported to a computer for work there too.
    :
    : That's a great suggestion. Thanks.
    :
    : >otherwise, there are plenty of decent cameras for $100-200. don't go
    : >much cheaper unless it's used or clearance sale. what you don't want is
    : >to get her a piece of shit, nor do you want to get something fancy
    : >because kids will probably break it, lose it, etc.
    : >
    : >for software on a computer, photoshop elements. it's cheap and it's
    : >powerful and kids can usually pick it up quickly.
    :
    : Do you have actual experience with a child about 8 learning Elements? I
    : have Elements. I found it a little daunting to learn and I am fairly
    : computer literate. But I'm not 8 and you are right that kids these days
    : pick this stuff up almost instantly.

    They pick up computer games and Web browsing very quickly. A photo editor is a
    different kind of animal, and I share your skepticism about confronting an
    8-year-old with serious editing software. But a kid who really gets hold of an
    interest can pursue it with single-minded determination. My 7-year-old
    grandson quickly and accurately builds Lego structures intended for kids twice
    his age. So you never know what a kid will do until you give him/her a chance
    to try.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Aug 18, 2013
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  20. Amen to that.
     
    Jennifer Murphy, Aug 18, 2013
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