Has Panasonic got it right after all?

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by Rich, Oct 24, 2005.

  1. Rich

    Rich Guest

    People have complained (rightly) about the noise level
    in Panasonic cameras, even the FZ30, their newest.
    But it seems to me that all Panasonic has done has left some
    of the "sledgehammer" digital noise reduction out of the
    processing in the camera, unlike some other makers.
    In tests this methodology has allowed for greater detail in the
    Panasonic shots than other cameras. You can always apply the noise
    reduction afterward, and tune it to your liking with
    "Neat Image" or some other competent noise-reduction program.
    Isn't this the better way?
    I am excluding cameras with very low noise from this discussion
    such as the Fuji F10.
    I also do not own a Panasonic.
    Rich, Oct 24, 2005
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  2. Rich

    John H Guest

    My unskilled eye is drawn to the Fuji but the exposures are
    not the same, the Panasonic seeming under exposed and the Olympus over
    exposed as appears to be the case from the EXIF data assuming similar
    lighting. The dates are different so could varying atmospheric
    conditions not also play a role? All are ISO 200 but time and
    aperture vary. The Fuji is a manual exposure while the others are
    auto. Should the pictures not all be taken under as nearly identical
    circumstances as possible for the most valid comparison? Hey, maybe
    buddy bumped the Panasonic tripod. ;-)

    OTOH I could be FOS. It happened once before and seemed to
    continue on from there.
    John H, Oct 24, 2005
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  3. Rich

    HornBlower Guest

    Well, I think Panasonic could have done a better job with the noise. Just so
    you know I own both the FZ20 and the FZ30. However, I also have owned a
    Canon 20D and got rid of it because it was almost noiseless in most of the
    ISO settings. I don't like 100% noise free images. They look like they were
    rendered in a 3D program.

    So a little noise at lease for me is a good thing, it makes the images look
    more real. That said, Panasonic could have made the ISO 300 and 400 on their
    cameras a little bit cleaner. But, still I think they have some of the best
    cameras given price and features.

    I have shot probably 5000 images with both of the Panasonic's I own and find
    very few complaints about the pictures. I love both the cameras.
    HornBlower, Oct 24, 2005
  4. Rich

    Rich Guest

    A graininess to the image composed of multicoloured speckles.
    Little coloured specs where those colours shouldn't be.
    Shows up in underexposed (dark) areas at higher ISO
    Rich, Oct 25, 2005
  5. Yes - see Dibley's post.
    Under some circumstances, noise can add character to an image.

    David J Taylor, Oct 25, 2005
  6. Rich

    Pete Guest

    Yes, but I'd like to add it when I want it. NOT have to remove it when I
    don't want it (which is 99.9% of the time).

    Pete, Oct 25, 2005
  7. Rich

    HornBlower Guest

    It is strickly a personal thing. If you like 100% noise free images more
    power to you. I don't and that is why after 3 months with the 20D I sold it.
    That and I didn't trust Canon to do firmware updates that didn't kill the
    HornBlower, Oct 25, 2005
  8. Rich

    Rich Guest

    Like dust spots in DSLRs without ultrasonic filters. :)
    Rich, Oct 26, 2005
  9. Rich

    none Guest

    It will probably follow the development of watches or fine gems. Fifty
    years from now, the only cameras with noisy output will cost thousands
    of dollars, because a flawless image is without soul or character. Only
    by adding thousands of tiny imperfections, can we make the image of that
    "special moment" truly unique.

    none, Oct 26, 2005
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