Has the Photoshopping been overdone?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Eric Stevens, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. Eric Stevens

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  2. Polly the Parrott, Feb 10, 2014
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  3. Eric Stevens

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    you can't afford $50, yet you can afford a digital camera and a
    computer?
     
    Guest, Feb 10, 2014
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  4. Eric Stevens

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    Where can you buy Photoshop for $50?
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 10, 2014
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    Savageduck, Feb 10, 2014
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  6. Eric Stevens

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    pretty much anywhere. $50-60 is the typical street price for photoshop
    elements.

    those who need the full photoshop aren't concerned with the price since
    they'll make it back very quickly.
     
    Guest, Feb 10, 2014
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  7. $50?

    Not talking about Elements here, but thanks for playing.
     
    Polly the Parrott, Feb 10, 2014
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  8. Eric Stevens

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    elements is all you need unless you're a pro, in which case the price
    doesn't matter. the amount of time it saves can be made back very
    quickly. it's *cheap*.
     
    Guest, Feb 10, 2014
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  9. Eric Stevens

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    Another one of your twisted responses, which no doubt you will fight
    to defend.

    Photoshop Elements is not Photoshop, even if it has the same publisher
    and has the word Photoshop in the name.

    You have absolutely no idea of how quickly 'full Photoshop' users will
    make their money back. I bet you can't even give a definition of what
    you mean by 'full Photoshop' which is relevant to this thread.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 11, 2014
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  10. Eric Stevens

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    there's nothing twisted about it and i can see that you're going to
    start in with your idiotic nitpicking, as usual.
    it most certainly *is* photoshop.

    just what exactly do you think it is, if it isn't photoshop?

    it even *says* photoshop in the name.

    here's a hint: it's photoshop for non-pros.
    actually i do, having worked with many graphic artists over the years.

    and it's not just photoshop. pro level tools generally pay for
    themselves *very* quickly.
    you must be kidding.
     
    Guest, Feb 11, 2014
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  11. Eric Stevens

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    nospam will tell it's all you need unless you're a pro. It's very
    convenient for us in this group to have nospam around to tell us what
    we need and what we don't need. It's amazing how he knows what we
    need and what we don't need without knowing anything about what we do.
    We all stand in awe of him.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 11, 2014
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  12. Eric Stevens

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    *adobe* will tell you that.

    that's why they have more than one version.
     
    Guest, Feb 11, 2014
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  13. Eric Stevens

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    My 'nitpicking' occurs because you dan't mean what you say or say what
    you mean. When Polly the Parrott wrote "I don't know anything about
    Photoshop (except that I can't afford it!)" you responded "you can't
    afford $50 ...". It turned out you were not writing about Photoshop
    but Photoshop _Elements_ which is a different animal with a different,
    but similar, name.
    It is Photoshop Elements, no matter how you argue to the contrary.
    Even Adobe knows they are two different products - otherwise how could
    they know which one you want to buy?
    It also says *Elements* in it's name. Do you really need an
    explanation of why that should be?
    Another hint. It doesn't say a thing about who it's intended for.
    Savageduck and PeterN are full Photoshop users. When do you think they
    are going to make their money back?
    No I'm not.

    I would ask you to have a try but I haven't the energy to deal with
    arguing over the confused mess which I expect to emerge.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 11, 2014
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    That's interesting. Someone was asleep at the switch the days I
    purchased various versions of the full Photoshop. They didn't ask me
    if I was a pro. They just took my money.

    Can I get my money back since I didn't qualify for the full version?

    If I order CC, and inform them I'm not a pro, will they refuse my
    order because I don't need it?
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 11, 2014
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    Sandman, Feb 11, 2014
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    Typical troll bait. nospam said that those that *need* Photoshop are
    professionals and they can afford it because their line of work pays for
    the software.

    nospam never said that all Photoshop *users* have means to pay for the
    software via profits from their usage of it.
     
    Sandman, Feb 11, 2014
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  17. Eric Stevens

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    This is one of those situations where technically something has one
    meaning, but in use it has another meaning.

    The program's full name is "Adobe Photoshop Elements (version)", so
    one could say that calling it "Photoshop" is technically correct.
    However, in general practice, people understand "Photoshop" to mean
    the full version and not Elements.

    I would not call it "Photoshop" because there's no reason to confuse
    anyone. "Elements" is sufficiently descriptive and just as easy to
    say or type.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 11, 2014
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  18. Eric Stevens

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    it's the same animal, just an older sibling.
    even adobe knows they're the same animal, from the same codebase, with
    some compile time switches. that makes them both 'photoshop'.

    the difference is one has more features than the other because it's
    targeted for pros who need those features while the other omits those
    features and offers the product at a lower price.

    it's a lot like nikon having a d3200 and a d4. they're both nikon slrs
    and work the same way and use the same lenses and accessories, with one
    targeted to pros and the other to non-pros.
    that's just branding. it's still photoshop.
    the price does. the list of features does.
    there is no requirement that someone make their money back.

    the point is that a pro can justify the price of pro tools because it
    can make them more productive, so they'll make back the expense very
    quickly.

    it's not an absolute. just because there are the occasional exception
    doesn't change anything. you're just nitpicking inconsequential
    details, as usual.

    the nikon d4 is a pro camera but there are non-pros who own them. so
    what? that doesn't mean it's now an entry level camera. the nikon d3200
    is an entry level camera but you might see a pro use one on occasion,
    perhaps if their d4 failed. so what? that doesn't make it a pro camera.
    only one of your making.
     
    Guest, Feb 11, 2014
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  19. Eric Stevens

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    if you're going to hand them money, why would they say no?
    i never said you had to qualify for anything.
    they should refuse it on the grounds that you're stupid.
     
    Guest, Feb 11, 2014
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    Then I guess, once more, your information is not reliable. You told
    me they'd tell me.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 11, 2014
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