Has the Photoshopping been overdone?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Eric Stevens, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    You go into a shop and ask for 'Photoshop': which box are you going to
    be given?
    What dummy would walk into a camera shop and just ask for Nikon?
    So, there is only the one product. Some go into boxes labelled
    'Photoshop' and others go into boxes labelled 'Photoshop Elements'. It
    doesn't matter which one you buy as they both do the same thing.
    So it costs more and does more than Photoshop Elements. Are you still
    trying to argue they are both the ame product?
    Dodging. I bet if either of the could they would both try and make
    their money back. I know I would.
    'nitpicking' is me pointing out that you either haven't said what you
    actually mean or don't mean quite what you have said. Sometimes both.
    I'm glad you didn't try.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 11, 2014
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  2. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    That's why they give them different names, but them in different boxes
    and sell them at different prices. That's why (as you have already
    pointed out) that pro's are much more likely to use one than the
    other.
    See - different.

    --- repetitious failure to answer snipped ---
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 11, 2014
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    Savageduck Guest

    ....and an Edsel is still a car, ...and a Ford.
     
    Savageduck, Feb 11, 2014
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  4. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    except that they are both from the same codebase, authored by the same
    development team and probably had the same product manager (who just
    left).

    they are the same, other than one having a few more features than the
    other (and no, that doesn't make them 'different').

    call it two variants of the same app if you want to be anal about it.
    or call one a subset of the other.

    none of that matters. as usual, you go off on some ridiculous tangent
    that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the topic.
     
    Guest, Feb 11, 2014
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  5. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    who goes into a shop anymore? who buys boxed software?

    nevertheless, if someone did do that, the store would ask you which one
    you want, probably by asking what you expect to be doing with it.
    missing the point entirely.

    and a lot of people walk into camera stores and ask for 'a camera'
    without knowing the first thing about them.
    not what i said. are you taking twisting lessons from tony?
    i'm not arguing. i'm telling you.

    *you* are the one who is arguing.

    but if you want to nitpick, they're variants of the same product which
    are targeted to two classes of users.
    there's no dodging, they can do whatever they want with it. nobody is
    stopping them.

    however, what's clear is you are *completely* missing the point.

    a pro does not blink at photoshop's price because it makes them money.
    it's actually *cheap*.
    or that you don't understand what i said and are coming up with some
    ridiculous interpretation.
    i don't need to try when you supply the idiocy.
     
    Guest, Feb 11, 2014
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  6. Eric Stevens

    Savageduck Guest


    Go into a Ford dealership and end up driving a Pinto instead of a
    Mustang because it was priced better.

    They are both Ford ponies after all. ;-)
     
    Savageduck, Feb 11, 2014
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  7. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    a better analogy is go to a ford dealership and compare the base model
    of a car with the loaded model that has a bigger engine, a/c, stereo,
    power sunroof, cruise control, gps nav, heated seats, fancy wheel
    covers, etc.

    it's still the same car.
     
    Guest, Feb 11, 2014
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  8. Eric Stevens

    Savageduck Guest

    Naah! I prefer my analogy.
    You can add any number of plug-ins and add-ons to PSE and it will never
    be CS6/CC. Just as adding any of those add-ons and options you suggest,
    to a Pinto is not going to turn it into a loaded performance vehicle.
     
    Savageduck, Feb 12, 2014
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  9. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    Naah! I prefer my analogy.
    You can add any number of plug-ins and add-ons to PSE and it will never
    be CS6/CC. Just as adding any of those add-ons and options you suggest,
    to a Pinto is not going to turn it into a loaded performance vehicle.[/QUOTE]

    you're comparing two different cars. i'm comparing two configurations
    of the same car.

    photoshop (full) versus photoshop elements is two configurations of the
    same app. one has pro features added. it's the same code underneath.
     
    Guest, Feb 12, 2014
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  10. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Aah - you anticipated that with your scenario you couldn't
    differentiate between them by saying 'Photoshop'.
    It's exactly the point. You are saying they are both called Photoshop
    so on that basis, no matter what you wnted you would have to ask for
    Photoshop.
    Yeah. A lot of people do that with Photoshop also.
    I'm interpreting you literally and taking what you have written to
    it's logical conclusion.
    So here we go again. Photoshop and Photoshop Elements are the same
    product. Why then does Adobe charge more for Photoshop than for
    Photoshop Elements?
    Aah - "variants". Now we are getting somewhere. They are not the same.

    Thankyou.
    How would you know? I've never done it.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 12, 2014
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  11. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    you're comparing two different cars. i'm comparing two configurations
    of the same car.

    photoshop (full) versus photoshop elements is two configurations of the
    same app. one has pro features added. it's the same code underneath.[/QUOTE]

    Imagine a Mustang with a Pinto engine and wheels.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 12, 2014
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  12. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Naah. I just want to stick with you calling Photoshop Elements
    'Photoshop' when it comes to buying it in the street.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 12, 2014
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    nospam says a 1977 Henri Jayer Richebourg Grand Cru, Cote de Nuits,
    (France) bottle of wine ($15,000 to $26,000) is the same as Yellow
    Tail Reserve Shiraz (about $8.00 a bottle) because they're both made
    from grapes.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 12, 2014
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    RichA Guest

    RichA, Feb 12, 2014
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  15. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    Any factual support for that statement: Inquiring minds want to know.
    We eagerly await your response, or weasel statement.
     
    PeterN, Feb 12, 2014
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  16. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    Now the Apple fan boi dictates what a person needs. But then, Apple
    determines what its users need.
     
    PeterN, Feb 12, 2014
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  17. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    How would you collect the money?
     
    PeterN, Feb 12, 2014
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  18. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    No worry. nospam says you don't need it.
     
    PeterN, Feb 12, 2014
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  19. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    jeezus.

    they're almost the same. is that better? more mindless nitpicking.

    everyone knows exactly what i meant, except you.
     
    Guest, Feb 12, 2014
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  20. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    what for?

    call it two versions of the same app, since you have trouble with basic
    concepts and like to argue over trivial matters.

    and it's not unique to adobe. a lot of consumer electronics has the
    same components inside, with the differences being what buttons are on
    the case or what firmware the device has. in many cases, you can add
    back the missing features relatively easily. are those the same product
    or different?
     
    Guest, Feb 12, 2014
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