Has the Photoshopping been overdone?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Eric Stevens, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    there is no contradiction.
    no, i never said that. i said they're the same, up until someone
    started nitpicking that it's not an *exact* duplicate, bit for bit, at
    which point i said it's a subset or variant. it's all semantic games.
    which makes it the same, like i said initially.

    that means you've just contradicted *yourself*.
     
    Guest, Feb 12, 2014
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  2. Eric Stevens

    Savageduck Guest

    Huh!!!
    PSE can process in RGB, PS/CC can process in RGB, so can PSP, iPhoto,
    GIMP, GraphicConvertor, and a few others, and yet they are not the
    same. The same goes for the inability of PSE to work in LAB color, or
    CMYG.

    With PS/CC I have the benefit of 'Smart Objects", a user of PSE
    wouldn't have a clue about, or access to "smart Objects".

    The PSE version of ACR is crippled, while that ACR version employed by
    PS/CC and LR5 are fully featured, that alone makes them two very
    different, but loosely related pieces of software.

    There is more, but why go into detail when adobe has already done that?
    The important thing is, Photoshop Elements is not Photoshop CS6/CC,
    neither are Photoshop Touch, or Photoshop Express, regardless of the
    word "Photoshop".

    Pick your flavor of Chevy, be it Cavalier, Camaro, Impala, Volt,
    Corvette, Suburban, etc. They are the same only in that they have four
    wheels, a Chevrolet "Bow-Tie" badge, and a family name.

    Clydesdales, Thoroughbreds, Shetland Ponies, Appaloosas, Labradors,
    Dachshunds, Maltese poodles, Lions, tigers, cheetahs, and leopards are
    the same because they are quadrupeds. However, they remain very
    different as do the Adobe products in their Photoshop stable.
     
    Savageduck, Feb 12, 2014
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  3. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    which misses the point.

    compare a dodge omni and a plymouth horizon. same exact car, but one is
    a dodge and the other is a plymouth. same parts, and either dealer will
    service them.

    general motors was well known for doing that. chevy, buick, oldsmobile
    and cadillac were really just different labels on the same cars (with
    the exception of a few that were one brand only, like a corvette).
     
    Guest, Feb 12, 2014
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  4. Eric Stevens

    Savageduck Guest

    Just saying Photoshop CS6/CC=PSE because they are both developed &
    produced by Adobe, and both include the word "Photoshop" in their name
    is disingenuous and misleading on your part, and does not make it so.
    They are two similar, but different products, and there is nothing you
    could do to either to make them the same, unless you are going to
    change the meaning of the word, "same".
    ....and Plymouth is dead along with the "K" car, and both of the
    Chrysler vehicles you named, as are GM's Oldsmobile, & Ford's Edsel.
    The brand is Chevrolet, the model is Corvette.

    As far as those which were superficial cosmetic variations on a theme I
    agree, however that was, and currently is not completely true. There
    were distinctly unique Oldsmobiles, Chevrolets, Buicks, Cadillacs, and
    today there are models which are not skinned duplicates.

    Perhaps if I used the comparison of some European cars and models where
    the duplication practice was not as blatant as in the board rooms of
    Detroit. Let's take a look at two very different manufacturers,
    Mercedes, & BMW and their various model series.

    The BMW "3 series", "5 series", "6 series" and "7 series" are all the
    same in that they have four wheels, and yet even within each series
    they are different.

    With Mercedes we have such as the "C Class", "E Class", "S Class" and
    AMG. Again, each are all the same in that they have four wheels, and
    yet even within each series they are different.

    Every Mercedes I have owned, a 560SEL, an S600 coupe, and two E350s has
    four wheels and a gasoline engine making them somewhat the same.
    However, each has been very different, even the two E350s only
    separated in age by three years.
    My V12 S600 was in no way the same as either of my E350s. Just as PS
    CS6/CC is not the same as PSE.
     
    Savageduck, Feb 13, 2014
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  5. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    It should be obvious but you confused them with your $50 remark.
    You mean they cannot be the same. Subset means Photoshop Elements has
    been extracted from Photoshop but there are parts of photoshop which
    are not contained in Photoshop Elements. That's why I said Photoshop
    Elements may be a subset.

    For all I know there may be parts of Photoshop Elements which are not
    contained in Photoshop, in which case it is not a true subset.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 13, 2014
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  6. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Oy! Don't confuse box wines with wines sealed with a screw cap. For
    several years now, some of the best wines have come with screw caps.
    I'm aware that you quoted it once. I don't believe you have ever used
    it. I suspect Jonas is confused.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 13, 2014
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  7. Eric Stevens

    Tony Cooper Guest

    In my post, which the Swedish Popinjay links to, I created an
    "inter-office memo" from the Managing Director of a Swedish
    manufacturer of computers and signed it Andreas Skitsnack. Jonas, who
    doesn't "get" humor, evidently didn't understand. What's new?

     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 13, 2014
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  8. Eric Stevens

    Tony Cooper Guest

    A whole module, in fact. Elements comes with an "Organizer". PS has
    no such thing. The "Smart Brush" tool has some dropdown scene
    adjustments not found in PS. And, a whole bunch of frames and stuff.

    It's not really a stripped-down PS. Certain features are
    stripped-down, and some features are unique to Elements.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 13, 2014
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  9. Eric Stevens

    Eric Stevens Guest

    But while you gave the signatory of the fake memo as Andreas Skitsnack
    you ended the email with your usual signature. Jonas may have missed
    that.
     
    Eric Stevens, Feb 13, 2014
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  10. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    Oops! Tht should have read "You are jealous....." Durn spel chekker.
     
    PeterN, Feb 13, 2014
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  11. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    Don't flatter yourself.
     
    PeterN, Feb 13, 2014
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  12. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest


    Do learn how to read
    Gee.
     
    PeterN, Feb 13, 2014
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  13. Eric Stevens

    Sandman Guest

    Don't be too hard on Tony, he - muck like you - have nothing better to do
    than to troll photography groups.
     
    Sandman, Feb 13, 2014
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  14. Eric Stevens

    Sandman Guest

    Yeah, because "He was" is clearly a misspelled "You are".
     
    Sandman, Feb 13, 2014
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  15. Eric Stevens

    Sandman Guest

    No, only if I think most of your posts here are pure bullshit, which I do.
    And you keep providing examples on a daily basis, Mr Skitsnack.
     
    Sandman, Feb 13, 2014
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  16. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    Just saying Photoshop CS6/CC=PSE because they are both developed &
    produced by Adobe, and both include the word "Photoshop" in their name
    is disingenuous and misleading on your part, and does not make it so.
    They are two similar, but different products, and there is nothing you
    could do to either to make them the same, unless you are going to
    change the meaning of the word, "same".[/QUOTE]

    i'm not saying they're the same just because they're by adobe.

    i'm saying they're the same because they are the same app, but targeted
    to two different types of users by offering a different mix of features
    and price points.

    but since everyone wants to nitpick, one is essentially a subset of the
    other. it's not an exact subset, but that's yet another triviality that
    doesn't actually matter.
    whether they still exist or not doesn't change anything.
    which is what i said, the corvette was one brand only. i am *very*
    familiar with the corvette.
    there were some unique gm cars, but many of their cars were exactly the
    same, differing only by trim.

    the cadillac was a little nicer, maybe some more leather and power
    accessories, while the chevy was more budget minded. that's hardly
    anything that qualifies it as a different model. they all came of the
    same assembly line and most of the workers didn't even know which brand
    they were building anyway unless they were adding the trim or badge.
     
    Guest, Feb 13, 2014
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  17. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    how is that confusing? that's what photoshop elements costs.

    that's all that one needs to spend, unless they don't bother shopping
    around and end up paying full retail.
    yes, it's a subset. that means they share common stuff.

    microsoft word is not a subset of adobe photoshop. two totally
    different things.

    adobe photoshop elements is a subset of the full photoshop. most of it
    is *identical*.
    there are, but it's minor and certainly nothing to void it being called
    a subset (except in the minds of a couple of people).

    since elements is targeted at non-pros, there are a couple of newbie
    type features. that's all. it just makes it a little easier to use for
    the intended market.
     
    Guest, Feb 13, 2014
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  18. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    i can read just fine.

    you brought up apple, quoted above.

    or are you now going to deny you wrote that?
     
    Guest, Feb 13, 2014
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  19. Eric Stevens

    Savageduck Guest

    i'm not saying they're the same just because they're by adobe.

    i'm saying they're the same because they are the same app, but targeted
    to two different types of users by offering a different mix of features
    and price points.

    but since everyone wants to nitpick, one is essentially a subset of the
    other. it's not an exact subset, but that's yet another triviality that
    doesn't actually matter.
    whether they still exist or not doesn't change anything.
    which is what i said,[/QUOTE]

    That is not what you said. Read a few lines above.
    As I said; the "brand" is Chevrolet, which is one of the GM brands.
    "Corvette" is a model of Chevrolet, not a separate "brand".
    That's nice.
    I guess you missed my adjusted analogy by using the various models of
    BMW & Mercedes.
    ....or did you deliberately clip that?

    If so, read again:
    "Perhaps if I used the comparison of some European cars and models
    where the duplication practice was not as blatant as in the board rooms
    of Detroit. Let's take a look at two very different manufacturers,
    Mercedes, & BMW and their various model series.

    The BMW "3 series", "5 series", "6 series" and "7 series" are all the
    same in that they have four wheels, and yet even within each series
    they are different.

    With Mercedes we have such as the "C Class", "E Class", "S Class" and
    AMG. Again, each are all the same in that they have four wheels, and
    yet even within each class they are different.

    Every Mercedes I have owned, a 560SEL, an S600 coupe, and two E350s has
    four wheels and a gasoline engine making them somewhat the same.
    However, each has been very different, even the two E350s only
    separated in age by three years.
    My V12 S600 was in no way the same as either of my E350s. Just as PS
    CS6/CC is not the same as PSE."
     
    Savageduck, Feb 13, 2014
    #99
  20. Eric Stevens

    Guest Guest

    That is not what you said. Read a few lines above.[/QUOTE]

    it's *exactly* what i said.

    the corvette was *only* made by chevrolet, thus it is *one* brand only.

    nowhere did i say corvette was the brand. what ever gave you that
    ridiculous idea?
    the corvette is only made by one company, thus the corvette is one
    brand.

    but since english is difficult for some people here, the corvette is
    *from* one brand. is that clearer or do i need to explain it further?
    yes it is.

    i'm not crazy about recent models (where recent is 1980s onward), but
    there's nothing like a pristine 60's vette, or even an early 70s, but
    emissions controls screwed those up.

    sucks for the ones that fell into the sinkhole though.
    it's not relevant.

    of course there are models that are sufficiently different to be
    considered different. that doesn't prove anything one way or the other.
     
    Guest, Feb 13, 2014
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